Different Hats Podcast

What if the secret to better business, better parenting and better mental health was… letting go of control?In this powerful, reflective conversation, I sit down with culture-change consultant and “buddish” thinker Jon Barnes (Pala) to talk about rewilding organisations, autonomy, depression, silent retreats, parenting, Buddhism, phones, presence and what it really means to be human.We explore how to move from command-and-control to self-managing, autonomous teams, how tiny experiments can transform culture, and why CEOs often save two days a week when they stop making every decision.Jon also shares openly about his dangerous depression, how a 10-day silent retreat changed his relationship with his thoughts, the difference between having anger vs being angry, and why he now calls himself “buddish”.This episode weaves perfectly into the You Alright Mate? mission and my Five Pillars of Success, especially Presence, Balance, Authenticity and Relationships and asks how we can equip both adults and kids to sit with their emotions in a world designed to distract us.🔍 In this episode we explore:How Jon went from hierarchy to rewilding organisations and self-managed teamsWhy autonomy at work can save leaders days each week (and create happier teams)Simple culture shifts: meetings, decisions & information sharing as leverage pointsParenting, failure and letting our kids do what lights them upJon’s story of clinical depression, SSRIs and finding mindfulnessWhat really happens on a 10-day silent meditation retreatThoughts vs emotions – and learning to notice rather than be owned by themPhones, tech, attention & why boredom might be a superpowerBeing “buddish”: Buddhist psychology, compassion & reducing suffering“This too shall pass” as a life toolkit – for the highs and the lows⏱️ CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS00:00 – “You alright mate?” check-in & intro to Jon Barnes06:15 – From traditional schooling to autonomy & a Costa Rica jungle school15:30 – Discovering self-managed teams & a new kind of leadership26:40 – What autonomy really looks like at work (and why CEOs gain 2 days a week)36:20 – Culture change as small experiments & the power of atomic habits45:05 – Rewilding organisations: the Knepp Estate metaphor & letting go of control55:40 – Parenting, autonomy for kids & reframing failure as learning1:05:30 – Meetings, decisions & information sharing as the heart of culture1:15:00 – Hitting the wall: depression, burnout and calling in sick to life1:27:30 – Inside a 10-day silent retreat: thoughts, emotions & the noisy mind1:40:10 – Tech Monopolies, smartphones & the attention economy1:50:20 – Teaching presence & emotional literacy to children2:00:00 – Peak experiences, the lake moment & “this too shall pass”2:10:10 – Being “buddish”: compassion, suffering & altered traits2:22:50 – Top Table card question on boundaries & closing reflections🎙️ ABOUT JON BARNESJon Barnes is a culture-change consultant, facilitator and co-founder of Pala, helping organisations move from rigid hierarchies to more autonomous, human-centred ways of working. His work draws on ideas from rewilding, permaculture, mindfulness and Buddhist psychology, and he’s the author of books including Tech Monopolies. Jon describes himself as “buddish” not religious, but deeply influenced by Buddhist thought and the practice of mindfulness.🎧 LISTEN TO MORE DIFFERENT HATS EPISODES:👉 https://www.different-hats.co.uk/podcast🔗 Connect with Jon BarnesWebsite: https://teampala.co.uk/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonbarnesdotme/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonbarnesdotme/💡 If this episode resonated with you, please like, share, and comment below. Your support helps us spread this important message and change the narrative around success and mental health.🤝 SPONSORED BY:Rivervale – www.rivervale.co.ukBrown Bear Studios – https://brownbearstudios.co.uk/Carpenter Box – https://www.carpenterbox.com/PRODUCED BY: H2 Productions – https://h2productions.co.uk/

In this powerful episode, entrepreneur and endurance athlete Bruce Bignell joins me to share an honest, inspiring and deeply reflective journey, from childhood trauma and blended family life, to building a tech business, redefining leadership, and becoming the kind of man his younger self needed.Bruce opens up about growing up between private school and state school, navigating complex family dynamics, searching for male role models, and the challenges young boys face today in a world of algorithms, screens and identity confusion. He explores how social media shapes validation, why kids are outsourcing self-worth to strangers online, and what parents must do to help them reconnect to real life, real people, and real values.He also shares how a 3-month period of radical change, running ultramarathons, rowing the Channel, and transforming his nutrition, completely shifted his mindset and taught him how to back himself when everything felt impossible.We dive into:Success: health, wealth, wisdomMasculinity: raising boys, male role models & blended familiesMental health: resilience, identity & future self thinkingLeadership: calm in crisis, inspiring change, seeing opportunityRisk: starting Evolve during Covid, hitting £70 in the bank, rebuildingChildhood: class, trauma, intuition, grounding and learningTechnology: AI, humanity & why people will always matterPersonal growth: redefining how you want your story to goBruce’s story is emotional, practical, honest and incredibly useful for anyone navigating business, fatherhood, mental health or big life transitions.⏱️ CHAPTERS00:00 – Introduction03:17 – “You alright mate?” Bruce checks in04:46 – Lessons from a tough year06:54 – Success = health, wealth & wisdom09:44 – Lifelong learning & curiosity10:44 – Teenage Bruce: success, football & business17:00 – Class, identity & bridging different worlds20:42 – Male role models & blended families24:32 – Masculinity & the Lost Boys25:41 – Teens, rebellion & identity31:31 – Social media & outsourcing validation36:30 – Intrinsic vs extrinsic self-worth41:04 – Early business exposure46:04 – Sales, rejection & resilience54:51 – Crisis, clarity & leadership57:54 – What makes a true leader?1:02:15 – Work Up & endurance challenges1:07:51 – Nutrition & trusting his body1:19:36 – Risk, money & resilience1:23:03 – “There’s always another way”1:31:03 – Building Evolve1:35:49 – How we respond to life1:47:00 – Future self vs current behaviour2:00:40 – Advice to 16-year-old Bruce🔗 CONNECT WITH BRUCELinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brucebignell🎧 LISTEN TO MORE EPISODES:👉 https://www.different-hats.co.uk/podcastSPONSORED BY:Brown Bear Audio 👉 https://brownbearstudios.co.uk/Carpenter Box 👉 https://www.carpenterbox.com/Rivervale 👉 rivervale.co.ukProduced by: H2 Productions  www.h2productions.co.uk

What does success really look like once you’ve “made it”?In this powerful conversation, I sit down with entrepreneur and former RocketMill CEO Sam Garrity for a deep and emotional exploration of ambition, success, fear, leadership, culture, mental health and reinvention.Sam shares how RocketMill grew from a Yellow Pages idea to a high-growth agency, built on people-first culture and relentless belief. He opens up about anxiety, panic attacks, childhood trauma and the fear of embarrassment that silently shaped his drive.He reveals the benefits and the cost of being “all in”: the emotional load, the mental space it consumed, the presence he lost at home, and why selling the company brought grief and joy.This episode dives into:• Panic attacks, anxiety and the roots of self-belief• The fierce drive behind RocketMill, and the application behind “All in” mentality • Culture, leadership and why behaviours matter more than values on a wall• The emotional reality of selling a company, the euphoria and the grief• Rebuilding identity, relationships and purpose after the exit• Breathwork, emotional release and healing old wounds• Why pride, integrity and community now matter more than everIt’s raw, human, inspiring and full of lessons for anyone chasing big goals, navigating change, or trying to understand what success really means.🕒 CHAPTERS0:00 – Introduction 5:13 – “You alright mate?” — honest check-in7:28 – Redefining success through purpose9:04 – Success evolving through childhood → adulthood17:27 – Ambition vs purpose19:09 – What really drives Sam21:11 – Upbringing, instability & resilience27:05 – Fear of failure & self-belief31:12 – Embarrassment, failure & reframing it42:26 – Early career: Express, Daily Mail & culture55:36 – The birth of RocketMill1:00:00 – Betting the farm & starting from nothing1:02:07 – “Are we all in?” — the RocketMill mentality1:07:32 – Sacrifice: being there but not present1:12:32 – Advice to founders: be braver1:13:59 – Pushing the boulder uphill1:26:17 – COVID: guaranteeing 200 jobs1:28:50 – People-first culture in action1:30:17 – Selling the company — everyone wins1:39:31 – Euphoria & grief after the sale1:50:00 – Breathwork, emotion & healing1:51:26 – Community, Samaritans & purpose2:00:45 – Seek pride in everything you do2:02:34 – Storytelling card2:05:26 – Closing reflectionsA profound conversation for founders, leaders, parents, creators, anyone striving to succeed while staying grounded, healthy and human.🔗 SPONSORSBrown Bear Audio – Elite podcast studio. 👉 https://brownbearstudios.co.uk/Carpenter Box – Accountancy & advisory specialists. 👉 https://www.carpenterbox.com/Rivervale – Making motoring manageable. 👉 rivervale.co.ukProduced by: H2 Productions – h2productions.co.uk🎧 LISTEN TO MORE DIFFERENT HATS EPISODES👉 https://www.different-hats.co.uk/podcast

⚠️ Warning ⚠️ This episode contains content that may be alarming to some listeners. We do talk about suicide which we know can be distressing.What happens when the “good guy” from Big Brother – the man who seemed confident, calm, and collected – finally removes the mask?In the opening episode of Series 9, filmed at our incredible new home Brown Bear Studios, Jason Burrill sits down for his first ever deep mental-health interview, and it’s one of the most powerful conversations we’ve ever had.Jason reveals the truth behind the success, the fame, the acting career, the public persona… and the hidden mental health battles he’s carried since childhood bullying at age 11.For decades he lived behind an act, Batman on stage, Bond on film sets, Big Brother winner on TV, while secretly battling anxiety, PTSD, emotional shutdown, fear, avoidance, and a near-fatal mental health crash that left him planning to end his life.In this raw, vulnerable conversation, Jason shares:How bullying shaped every part of his adult lifeWhy he couldn’t walk into Tesco, but could walk into the Big Brother houseHow success became a mask, not a feelingHis darkest moment… and the phone call that saved himWhy men struggle to open upHow we can change the narrative for our sons, friends, fathers and future generationsThis episode is a must-watch for anyone interested in men’s mental health, resilience, trauma, identity, and redefining success beyond money, fame or status.🎧 LISTEN TO MORE DIFFERENT HATS EPISODES:👉 https://www.different-hats.co.uk/podcast🔗 Connect with Jason BurrillInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/jasonburrill/SPONSORED BY:Brown Bear Studios - https://brownbearstudios.co.uk/Carpenter Box - https://www.carpenterbox.com/Rivervale – www.rivervale.co.ukPRODUCED BY:H2 Productions – https://h2productions.co.uk/*If you’ve been affected by any of the topics in today’s episode, please reach out to local support services or find resources via Samaritans (UK) or equivalent helplines in your country.

Series 8 has been one of the most powerful yet, a season of raw honesty, deep reflection, and inspiring resilience. Across sixteen extraordinary conversations, we’ve explored what it truly means to live, love, and lead with authenticity.From suicidal ideation to self-acceptance, childhood loss to creative rebirth, OCD to bipolar, miscarriage to motherhood, each story redefined success not as wealth or status, but as presence, purpose, and the courage to ask for help.This finale brings together the highlights and trailers from Series 8 (Episodes 115–130).💡 Key Lessons from Series 8Success is a feeling of alignment, not a finish lineAsking for help is a gift, to yourself and othersAutonomy, Mastery, and Purpose are the real drivers of fulfilmentEmotional education matters as much as academic achievementFrom darkness can come light, connection, and meaningThe real measure of success? Presence over perfection🕒 CHAPTERS & GUESTS00:00 — Daniel Wilsher (E115) 01:24 — Joel Lawton (E116) 02:43 — Simon Chuter (E117) 04:27 — Sam Adams  (E118)05:55 — Asis Patel (E119) 07:13 — Howie McConnell (E120) 09:04 — Ashley Usiskin (E121) 11:14 — Abi Mellor (E122) 12:36 — David Eakins (E123) 14:25 — Oly Newton (E124)15:07 — Jon Kennett (E125) 16:53 — Max Marshall (E126) 19:17 — Dr Carlos Saba (E127) 21:59 — Sarah Willingham (E128) 23:21 — Jonathan Lea (E129) 25:03 — Matthew White (E130) 🌱 Closing ReflectionFrom the depths of despair to the light of discovery, Series 8 reminded us that success isn’t measured by wealth or fame, but by how deeply we live and love. Every story, every voice, every moment shared helps shift the narrative, one honest conversation at a time.If this series moved you, share this episode with someone who needs it.And if you’re struggling, remember: asking for help is strength, not weakness.🎧 LISTEN TO MORE DIFFERENT HATS EPISODES:👉 www.different-hats.co.uk/podcast🔗 SPONSORED BY:Search Seven — www.searchseven.co.ukNostos Hove — www.nostos-hove.co.ukRivervale — www.rivervale.co.ukPlus X — https://www.plusxinnovation.com/🎬 PRODUCED BY: H2 Productions

At 39, Matthew White’s world changed overnight. A seizure on the football pitch led to a devastating diagnosis, an extensive, incurable brain tumour. In this deeply emotional Different Hats Series 8 finale, Matthew shares his journey of survival, hope, and redefining success in the face of uncertainty.He opens up about the physical and emotional battles of brain surgery, radiotherapy, and chemotherapy, and the profound lessons he’s learned along the way, about time, presence, gratitude, love, vulnerability, and what it really means to live.Through his writing and advocacy, Matthew has become a voice for resilience and change, challenging stereotypes about masculinity, illness, and success. His words are raw, real, and profoundly moving.“I’ve learned to disregard time. It doesn’t matter how long or short it is, it’s what you do with it that matters.” — Matthew WhiteJoin Matthew and I was we explore themes of identity, perspective, vulnerability, fatherhood, curiosity, emotional literacy, and the courage to keep learning, no matter what life brings.⏱️ CHAPTERS00:00 – Introduction05:30 – Redefining success and identity after illness10:00 – Living authentically vs. living society’s narrative15:00 – The importance of curiosity, learning, and participation20:00 – Finding joy in the small things25:30 – The seizure, the scan, and hearing the words “It’s cancer”33:00 – Family resilience and being home for Christmas39:00 – Controlling the controllables42:30 – Balancing hope and realism45:00 – Documenting his journey to help others49:00 – Processing trauma and finding control through learning56:00 – “Don’t give up — it will get better”1:03:00 – Building emotional intelligence through psychotherapy1:10:00 – Finding his voice again1:17:00 – The power of asking for help1:23:00 – Creating a cocoon of support and redefining vulnerability1:30:00 – Lessons from his children1:38:00 – Rethinking time and what really matters1:45:00 – The evolved version of Matthew White1:48:00 – Perspective: what really matters each day1:50:00 – The biggest lesson of all: never stop learning1:52:00 – Messages for his wife and children1:55:00 – Living in hope and staying one step ahead🎧 LISTEN TO MORE DIFFERENT HATS EPISODES👉 https://www.different-hats.co.uk/podcast🔗 Connect with Matthew WhiteInstagram: @livingwithabraintumour💡 If this episode resonated with you, please like, share, and comment below.Your support helps us spread this important message and change the narrative around success and mental health.🎙️ SPONSORED BYSearch Seven – www.searchseven.co.ukNostos Hove – www.nostos-hove.co.ukRivervale – www.rivervale.co.ukPlus X – https://www.plusxinnovation.com/🎥 PRODUCED BY: H2 Productions – https://h2productions.co.uk/

What does it really mean to speak your truth in a divided world?In this powerful episode, I sit down with Jonathan Lea solicitor, entrepreneur, and founder of The Jonathan Lea Network, for an honest conversation about courage, conviction, and authenticity.Jonathan opens up about growing his law firm, navigating controversy, and standing firm on his beliefs during one of the most polarising times in modern history. We talk about free speech, the fear of speaking out, and why honest debate, even when uncomfortable, is essential for personal and societal growth.From lessons in leadership and fatherhood to the rise of AI in law, this episode is a masterclass in integrity, presence, and redefining success.🎯 Key ThemesRedefining success through courage and authenticityFree speech, emotional intelligence & healthy debateThe impact of COVID, censorship & social mediaLeadership, balance & presence in fatherhoodThe future of law and AI’s role in human creativity⏱️ Chapters00:00 Introduction03:21 “How do you define success?” – career, family, campaigning10:16 Success as a feeling vs. milestones; surviving a tough market25:50 Should debate be taught in schools?27:00 Pandemic years: campaigning, reputation, and staying civil online33:48 Values vs. opinions: can relationships survive big differences?38:13 “Freedom movement,” Tommy Robinson, and division41:38 Immigration, patriotism, compassion & policy50:41 Who benefits? Foreign policy, media narratives, and nuance1:07:31 Why Jonathan spoke out during COVID1:10:05 Censorship, protests, platform bans & media framing1:20:36 Did speaking out hurt business? (what actually happened)1:26:38 Leadership vs. being anodyne; standing for something1:28:35 Lockdowns, collateral harms & vaccine passports1:31:41 Can opposing truths coexist?1:36:02 How to speak up safely (regulators, sources, IHRA, AI checks)1:43:35 How his firm uses AI (ChatGPT & Gemini) across legal work1:55:23 Will AI replace lawyers? Where humans still add value1:59:48 The next 5 years: tech, team, and growth mindset2:06:02 New fatherhood, balance & presence“If you truly believe in what you’re saying, you have to be willing to stand by it — even when it’s uncomfortable. Authenticity isn’t about being loud, it’s about being honest.”🎧 LISTEN TO MORE DIFFERENT HATS EPISODES:👉 https://www.different-hats.co.uk/podcast🔗 CONNECT WITH JONATHAN LEA:Website: https://www.jonathanlea.netLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanlea/🙌 SPONSORED BY:Search Seven – www.searchseven.co.ukNostos Hove – www.nostos-hove.co.ukRivervale – www.rivervale.co.ukPlus X – https://www.plusxinnovation.com🎥 PRODUCED BY: H2 Productions

What does true success really mean? In this inspiring conversation, I sit down with Sarah Willingham, entrepreneur, investor, former Dragon on BBC’s Dragons’ Den, and co-owner of the Brighton i360.Sarah opens up about:✨ Why she believes success is freedom, the ability to meander through life on your own terms.✨ The heartbreaking loss of her soulmate during Covid and what he taught her about presence, happiness, and living fully.✨ Her bold decision to take her four children out of school for three years to travel the world and why she calls it the best decision of her life.✨ The challenges of entrepreneurship in hospitality, surviving Covid, and leading through tough times.✨ Why she doesn’t believe in a career path but instead a life path building businesses and choices around lifestyle, values, and family.✨ The lessons she’d tell her 20-year-old self (and why polishing basil leaves became her metaphor for life).This raw and honest conversation shines a light on redefining success away from money, fame, or status, and instead towards balance, freedom, and presence.If you’ve ever felt trapped by society’s blueprint for life, Sarah’s story will inspire you to carve your own path and embrace the beauty of just being.⏱️ Chapters:00:00 Defining success: freedom & presence06:00 Curiosity, chaos & why Sarah loves variety13:30 The flawed dictionary definition of success17:00 Walking, nature & recalibrating from adrenaline26:00 Diarising “nothing” & finding presence28:30 Taking kids out of school to travel the world39:00 Challenging the education system53:00 Finding her “thing” in business1:01:00 Entrepreneurship, resilience & the WHY1:07:30 Surviving hospitality during Covid1:10:30 Balance, chaos & polishing basil leaves1:14:20 Advice to her 20-year-old self1:17:00 What does a life well lived look like?🎧 LISTEN TO MORE DIFFERENT HATS EPISODES:👉 https://www.different-hats.co.uk/podcast🔗 Connect with Sarah WillinghamWebsite: https://sarahwilligham.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarahwillingham/💡 If this episode resonated with you, please like, share, and comment below. Your support helps us spread this important message and change the narrative around success and mental health.SPONSORED BY:Preston Insurance: https://prestoninsurancebrokers.co.uk/ - Episode SponsorSearch Seven www.searchseven.co.ukNostos Hove  www.nostos-hove.co.ukRivervale  www.rivervale.co.ukPlus X https://www.plusxinnovation.com/PRODUCED BY: H2 Productions: https://h2productions.co.uk/

What does it really mean to live a successful life? Is success about achievements, wealth, or status or is it something much deeper?In this powerful episode of the Different Hats Podcast, I sit down with my good friend Dr. Carlos Saba, co-founder of The Happy Startup School. Carlos shares his journey from chasing external markers of success to redefining it as a feeling of alignment, acceptance, and agency.We dive into:The evolving definition of success beyond money and milestonesEmotional intelligence and why schools must nurture curiosity, not just gradesWhy shame, comparison, and old money stories hold us backThe idea of “Happy Money” and how our stories around money shape our livesMidlife transitions, the “second mountain,” and asking Who am I becoming?How to create your own blueprint for life and stop living by outdated societal narrativesThis conversation is packed with wisdom on presence, purpose, and emotional awareness, reminding us all that success is not about having more, but about being more.⏱️ CHAPTERS00:00 – Intro What is Happy Money?06:02 – Redefining success as a feeling of alignment07:31 – From black belts to diaries: chasing early success goals12:45 – Why being still is so hard in today’s society17:56 – Childhood, conditioning & the stories we inherit21:27 – Is the school system broken? Emotional literacy & curiosity26:27 – Parents, teachers & environments shaping emotional awareness29:08 – Rage, shame & teaching children emotional intelligence32:43 – Can we measure emotional intelligence like grades?37:48 – The “Second Mountain” of purpose & contribution42:45 – Finding your values and purpose vs. chasing titles48:21 – Questioning the life blueprint: marriage, career & curiosity53:14 – Compassion, forgiveness & letting go of “the one way”55:41 – Feeling stuck? Where to start with transition59:10 – The First Mountain vs. the Second Mountain1:01:43 – Redefining money: Happy Money & financial stories1:09:51 – Scarcity, shame & abundance1:13:29 – What is happiness? Acceptance & agency1:15:35 – Responsibility, awareness & self-compassion1:18:31 – Life as an adventure, not a scoreboard1:20:29 – Chaos, stories & infinite games1:25:24 – Death, joy & making the game better1:29:13 – Agency, acceptance & connection1:30:13 – Summer camp, friendship & fulfillment1:33:30 – The key midlife question: Who am I becoming?1:36:02 – Closing tradition: Storytelling card reflection🎧 LISTEN TO MORE DIFFERENT HATS EPISODES:👉 https://www.different-hats.co.uk/podcast🔗 Connect with Dr. Carlos SabaWebsite: https://www.happystartupschool.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlossaba💡 If this episode resonated with you, please like, share, and comment below. Your support helps us spread this important message and change the narrative around success and mental health.SPONSORED BY:Search Seven – www.searchseven.co.ukNostos Hove – www.nostos-hove.co.ukRivervale – www.rivervale.co.ukPlus X – https://www.plusxinnovation.com/PRODUCED BY: H2 Productions – https://h2productions.co.uk/