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Birth Trauma with Kim Thomas, journalist and CEO of The Birth Trauma Association

Season 7, Ep. 6

This is the final episode in Series 7. It's about birth trauma and I speak with journalist, author and CEO of The BTA, Kim Thomas.


We talk about what birth trauma is, what can cause it (we do not go into graphic detail), how it can manifest and how to get help. We discuss the difference between Post Natal Depression and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder brought on by birth trauma. We also discuss the impact of birth trauma on birthing partners.


May 2024 update: Parliamentary report.


Some organisations we talk about in the episode:


The Birth Trauma Association.


Kim Thomas's book on PTSD and Birth Trauma.

Masic: https://masic.org.uk/about-masic/

Magnolia midwives: https://www.instagram.com/magnoliamidwives/?hl=en

Doula UK: https://doula.org.uk

Tommy's: https://www.tommys.org

Nice Guidelines: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance

Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists: https://www.rcog.org.uk

https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/postnatal-depression-and-perinatal-mental-health/useful-contacts/


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Produced by Hester Cant.


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