CLS Law & Society Podcast

Dr Sabrina Germain & Dr Adrienne Yong from The City Law School, City St George’s, University of London speak to Dr Zaina Mahmoud (Lecturer in Law at the University of Liverpool). They talk about the frameworks around surrogacy in the law in the UK and compare it to California, and how intersectionality brings out the inequalities in how surrogacy is regulated. More on Dr Sabrina Germain https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/sabrina-germain More on Dr Adrienne Yong https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/adrienne-yong More on Dr Zaina Mahmoud https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/people/zaina-mahmoud Audio engineer / editor was Maria Martinez-Ugartechea Music by Joystock - www.joystock.org

Dr Sabrina Germain & Dr Adrienne Yong from The City Law School, City St George’s, University of London speak to Dr Beatriz Lopes-Buarque (Fellow at the London School of Economics) about capitalism its link with extremism. They talk about the relationship between racism and sexism and the rise of right wing conspiracy theories and whether law can help solve this problem. More on Dr Sabrina Germainhttps://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/sabrina-germain More on Dr Adrienne Yonghttps://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/adrienne-yong More on Dr Beatriz Lopes-Buarquehttps://info.lse.ac.uk/current-students/lse100/people/beatriz-buarque Audio engineer / editor was Maria Martinez-UgartecheaMusic by Joystock - www.joystock.org

Dr Sabrina Germain (Reader) & Dr Adrienne Yong (Senior Lecturer) from The City Law School speak to their former students, Salma Huti and Suleqa Aden about how they found learning by this podcast in their module taught by Dr Germain & Dr Yong at City. They talk about what they learnt, how they learnt and what they got out of this innovative teaching method. More on Dr Sabrina Germain https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/sabrina-germain https://twitter.com/sabrinakgermain More on Dr Adrienne Yong https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/adrienne-yong Music by Joystock - www.joystock.org

Dr Sabrina Germain & Dr Adrienne Yong (Senior Lecturers at The City Law School) speak to Dr Sarah Liu (Lecturer in Gender & Politics at the University of Edinburgh) about being a "yellow woman" in the time of COVID-19. They talk about what the history of the term 'yellow' is, how it is being a 'yellow woman' particularly, how the pandemic has shaped and changed Dr Liu's identity, and much more. 00:00 – Intro to episode and Dr Sarah Liu 02:02 – Dr Sarah Liu on defining the concept of law 03:16 – Can our identity be separated? 06:26 – Reclaiming “yellow” identity 11:48 – Why is “woman” just as important? 16:47 – Yellow Power Movement in the context of COVID-19 24:39 – Personal experiences due to intersection of race and gender 35:37 – Impact of pandemic on identity 40:34 – The role of law: help or hindrance? 52:05 – Defining law in context More on Dr Sabrina Germain https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/sabrina-germain https://twitter.com/sabrinakgermain More on Dr Adrienne Yong https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/adrienne-yong https://twitter.com/adrienney_ More on Dr Sarah Liu https://www.sps.ed.ac.uk/staff/sarah-liu http://drsarahliu.com https://twitter.com/drsarahliu Music by Joystock - www.joystock.org

In part 1, Dr Sabrina Germain & Dr Adrienne Yong (Senior Lecturers at The City Law School) speak to Hannah Manzur (PhD Candidate in City's Violence & Society Centre) about her research and her Women & Brexit report. They talk about why gender matters to the law and why the law matters for gender, how women are affected by Brexit and how COVID-19 has affected this as well. In part 2, Dr Germain & Dr Yong speak to Suzana Rahde Gerchmann (PhD Candidate at The City Law School) about her research on gender pricing. They talk about what gender pricing actually is and what the pink tax is to bring attention to this little known issue. Part 1: Brexit with Hannah Manzur 00:00 – Intro to episode and Hannah Manzur 01:52 – Hannah Manzur on defining the concept of law 02:34 – Gender and the law: why does it matter? 07:40 – Intersectionality in context (Brexit) 16:00 – Brexit in a legal context 20:22 - Is Brexit gendered? 25:35 – Intersecting inequalities and Brexit 29:35 – Moving forward: areas of concern 34:11 – Defining law in context Part 2: Gender pricing Suzana Rahde Gerchmann 37:30 – Intro to Suzana 38:24 – Suzana Rahde Gerchmann on defining the concept of law 39:55 – What is gender pricing? 44:11 – Pink tax: is it the same thing? 48:16 – How does pink tax relate to the law? 56:51 – The data 1:01:32 – Feminist legal theory: a valuable lens for research 1:07:30 – Defining law in context More on Dr Sabrina Germain https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/sabrina-germain https://twitter.com/sabrinakgermain More on Dr Adrienne Yong https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/adrienne-yong https://twitter.com/adrienney_ More on Hannah Manzur https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/research-students/hannah-manzur https://be.linkedin.com/in/hannah-manzur-32a527147 Women & Brexit Report: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356414698_Women_Brexit_Report_1 More on Suzana Rahde Gerchmann https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/research-students/suzana-rahde-gerchmann https://twitter.com/suzana_rahde https://uk.linkedin.com/in/suzana-rahde-gerchmann Music by Joystock - www.joystock.org

Dr Sabrina Germain speaks to podcast co-host Dr Adrienne Yong about feminist legal theory and intersectionality. They talk about the history and waves of the feminist movement, how feminism is not misandry, and why intersectionality is so necessary. They also speak about their research together on barriers to accessing healthcare for ethnic minority women and migrant women. 00:00 – Intro to episode 01:19 – Dr Adrienne Yong’s research 03:06 – Roots of feminist movement 14:52 – Feminist legal theory 19:52 – Women sit in the private sphere (Martha Fineman) 23:18 – Law as both discourse and process of power 29:03 – Legal theory of feminism and misandry: what is different? 35:05 – Substantive vs formal equality 38:37 – What is intersectionality? 43:29 – Intersectionality in practice: DeGraffenreid v GM 45:46 – Intersectionality in practice: Moore v Hughes Helicopter 46:38 – Intersectionality in practice: Payne v Travenol 48:43 – Critique of intersectionality 56:15 – Intersectionality in practice: COVID-19 pandemic More on Dr Sabrina Germain https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/sabrina-germain https://twitter.com/sabrinakgermain More on Dr Adrienne Yong https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/adrienne-yong https://twitter.com/adrienney_ More about Dr Germain & Dr Yong's research https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10691-020-09437-z https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/9JBPWEAQJISZ2ECD7NDF/full?target=10.1080/14797585.2021.2012090 Music by Joystock - www.joystock.org

Dr Sabrina Germain & Dr Adrienne Yong (Senior Lecturers at The City Law School) speak to Dr Patrick Murphy (Doctorate in Human Geography, Durham University) about Race in Context: Stop & Search. They talk about policing powers and laws around stop & search, the context of Stephen Lawrence, the MacPherson report, the Lammy Review, terrorism powers and much more. 00:00 – Intro to episode and Dr Patrick Murphy 02:35 – Dr Patrick Murphy on defining the concept of law 04:16 – Stop & Search laws in the UK 10:42 – Putting it in context: Stephen Lawrence 14:04 – Reasonable suspicion: why is it controversial? 18:40 – The stats: how effective really is it? 23:21 – The impact on the individual 26:48 – Has a fair balance been struck? 31:25 – Deterrence against crime: a false claim 39:35 – Removal of reasonable suspicion 44:41 – Justified use of stop and search: is there chance for reform? 48:50 – Defining law in context More on Dr Sabrina Germain https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/sabrina-germain https://twitter.com/sabrinakgermain More on Dr Adrienne Yong https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/adrienne-yong https://twitter.com/adrienney_ Music by Joystock - www.joystock.org

Dr Sabrina Germain & Dr Adrienne Yong (Senior Lecturers at The City Law School) have a conversation about critical race theory. They talk about critical legal studies and how it has led to critical race theory, what this theory is, equality in the context of racism in the law, the context of the pandemic, #BlackLivesMatter, #StopAsianHate, #SayHerName, and how we can be critical in our teaching. 00:00 – Intro to episode 01:33 – Dr Adrienne Yong on defining the concept of law 06:20 – Introduction to critical legal studies 17:53 – Legal indeterminacy 21:31 – Distinction between CLS and critical race theory 29:14 – Do we all deserve equality? 32:50 – Critical theory stands on the shoulder of feminism 34:51 – 4 main principles of the theory 38:40 – Criticism of CRT: anecdotal evidence 41:46 – Criticism of CRT: black and white diaspora 45:17 – Criticism of CRT: respect for the law 48:43 – Embodying CRT in legal education 56:44 – Importance of critical race study in modern context (BLM/Stop Asian Hate) 1:02:38 – American stance on CRT 1:09:37 – Defining law in context More on Dr Sabrina Germain https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/sabrina-germain https://twitter.com/sabrinakgermain More on Dr Adrienne Yong https://www.city.ac.uk/about/people/academics/adrienne-yong https://twitter.com/adrienney_ Music by Joystock - www.joystock.org