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How to ignite your Natural Connection
Environmentalism isn't a one dimensional thing, says environmental justice technologist and author Joycelyn Longdon on the Climate Curious podcast. In conversation with co-host Ben Hurst, Joycelyn shares the thinking behind her new book, ‘Natural Connection’, and breaks down how anyone can step into their inner environmentalist by tapping into rage, imagination, innovation, theory, healing, and care. Tune in to learn why climate action isn’t about achieving a checklist of individualistic traits, and instead, maybe it's about being… you!
Buy Joycelyn’s book: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/454481/natural-connection-by-longdon-joycelyn/9781529902662
Watch Joycelyn’s TEDxLondon Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBXiWON-LDU
Created by TEDxLondon
Executive produced by Josie Colter
Produced by Ben Beheshty
Curated by Deesha Chandra
Hosted by Maryam Pasha and Ben Hurst
Communications by Tara Cooper and Issey Gladston
Joycelyn's reading list
- Armstrong, Karen. 2022. Sacred Nature: How We Can Recover Our Bond with the Natural World.
- Brown, Adrienne Maree. 2017. Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change,Changing Worlds.
- Brown, Adrienne Maree. 2019. Pleasure Activism: The Politics of Feeling Good.
- Butler, Octavia E. 1993. Parable of the Sower.
- Care Collective, The. 2020. The Care Manifesto: The Politics of Interdependence.
- Jones, Lucy. 2020. Losing Eden: Our Fundamental Need for the Natural World and Its Ability to Heal Body and Soul.
- Kelley, Robin D. G. 2002. Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination.
- Kimmerer, Robin Wall. 2013. Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants.
- Krawec, Patty. 2022. Becoming Kin: An Indigenous Call to Unforgetting the Past and Reimagining Our Future.
- Page, Cara and Woodland, Erica. 2023. Healing Justice Lineages: Dreaming at the Crossroads of Liberation, Collective Care, and Safety.
- Piepzna-Samarasinha, Leah Lakshmi. 2018. Care Work: Dreaming Disability Justice.
- Powers, Richard. 2018. The Overstory.
- Sheldrake, Merlin. 2020. Entangled Life: How Fungi Make Our Worlds, Change Our Minds and Shape Our Futures.
- Shiva, Vandana. 1993. Monocultures of the Mind: Perspectives on Biodiversity and Biotechnology.
- Solnit, Rebecca. 2004. Hope in the Dark: Untold Histories, Wild Possibilities.
- Solnit, Rebecca. 2023. Not Too Late: Changing the Climate Story from Despair to Possibility.
- Tori Tsui - It's Not just You
- Mikaela Loach - It's Not That Radical
- Leah Thomas - The Intersectional Environmentalist
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