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#134 - Rosemary's Baby (1968) - The Proto Slow Burn and Influence For Modern Horror

Season 5, Ep. 34

At first glance, 'Rosemary's Baby' may appear tame in comparison to contemporary horror films. However, beneath its seemingly ordinary scenes lies an unsettling sense of unease that is expertly crafted through imaginative imagery and an element of uncertainty. It can be seen as a precursor to the slow burn sub-genre that prevails in modern horror, showcasing its structural influence on later movies like 'Hereditary.' This film proves that horror doesn't always require gore and jump scares to be effective; it is the underlying tension and psychological manipulation that make it truly chilling.

Beyond its artistic merits, 'Rosemary's Baby' offers a unique perspective on the horror of being a pregnant woman in the 1960s. Set in New York City during a time of social and political upheaval, the film explores themes of autonomy and control over one's own body. As we follow Rosemary's journey through her pregnancy, we witness the manipulation and lack of agency she experiences at the hands of those around her. This depiction serves as a powerful reflection of the societal pressures and expectations faced by women during that era.

Join us as we unravel the influence of 'Rosemary's Baby' on the horror genre. Whether you're a seasoned horror enthusiast or simply intrigued by cultural influences, this podcast will provide you with a fresh perspective on a classic that continues to shape the genre to this day.



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