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Anat Shenker-Osorio - ChangeMakers Chat - Art of Communication
Today we talk with one of the world's leading communication specialists for progressive change. Anat Shenker-Osorio has spend decades working with communities, movements and progressive political candidates across the world helping them to sharpen and improve how they communicate their ideas. Anat brings a deep understanding of change making principles in her work - and today she unpacks where her communications methodology came from and some of its key principles.
This Chat is full of change making stories, many of which are drawn from her fantastic podcast Words to Win By.
You can find out more about Anat's work and method by:
- Listening to her podcast Words to Win By - which is now releasing its third season!
- Reading her book - Don’t Buy It: The Trouble with Talking Nonsense about the Economy
ChangeMakers 2024 is supported by the Civic Power Fund and work with the UCL Policy Lab. This year they are supporting ChangeMakers to bring together a collection of Chats filled with extraordinary ideas and everyday experience to understand how we can change the world, www.ucl.ac.uk/policy-lab/ucl-policy-lab and www.civicpower.org.uk/.
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3. Sami Shah - ChangeMaker Chat - News Satire
49:48||Season 9, Ep. 3Can you make a difference by being funny? In this episode news satirist and stand up comedian Sami Shah takes us through the art of political satire and the journey that got him there.Sami grew up in Pakistan, studied in the United States and became a fully fledged journalist - and comedian in his home country before traveling to Australia. He moved to Australia in 2012 living in Western Australia and almost killing a kangaroo before becoming a leading stand up comedian as well as a powerful voice for a more diverse comedy, journalistic and artistic community.In this episode we talk about political satire’s power to challenge us and help us see things differently, but also its limits in directly shifting actual events. He talks us through his method for News Satire on his podcast News Weakly, as well as what he has learnt about the power of making jokes about the taboo - including what is happening in Gaza and Israel.You can listening to Sami’s News Weakly podcast, also hosted on ACAST here:https://shows.acast.com/news-weaklyAnd find more about his books and activities here: https://thesamishah.com/For more on ChangeMakers check us out:Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!)On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/Blue Sky Social - changemakerspod.bsky.aocial & amandatattersall.bsky.socialOn X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatattsOn LinkedIn - Amanda.Tattersall2. Lyndy McIntyre - ChangeMaker Chat - Living Wages
55:24||Season 9, Ep. 2In a world where everyone is worried about cost of living – what difference would it make to lift the wages of the lowest paid workers?Lyndy McIntyre has documented a campaign that did exactly that in Aotearoa New Zealand. Her book Power to Win documents that struggle and in this chat she explores some of the key strategies that made that campaign work.Power to Win is available:In Aotearoa through Otago University PressIn Australia from John Reed BooksIn North America from Independent Publishers GroupIn the UK and Europe from Gazelle Book ServicesFor more on ChangeMakers check us out:Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!)On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/On Blue Sky Social - changemakerspod.bsky.aocial & amandatattersall.bsky.socialOn X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatattsOn LinkedIn - Amanda.TattersallLiving Wage campaign in Aotearoa New Zealand:In May 2012 a new social movement was launched in Aotearoa New Zealand with the goal of lifting the wages of the lowest paid workers. It all began with the Service and Food Workers Union’s mission to win back the power needed to achieve decent pay for its members after the passage of an anti-worker, anti-union law in 1991. After trying many strategies, in 2011 the union reached out to the community with an invitation to build power together to unite around the shared goal of addressing poverty wages. The outcome has been hugely successful and changed the lives of many thousands of workers and their families. In Living Wage Movement Aotearoa NZ faith groups, community organisations and unions work in partnership. These groups represent thousands of New Zealanders in organisations as diverse as Catholic social justice groups, the Māori Women’s Welfare League, students associations and refugee advocacy organisations. The diversity of Living Wage Movement Aotearoa NZ is the strength of the movement and the secret of the success of the many campaigns that have won the living wage for thousands of workers — in corporates, across local and central government and in small businesses and NGOs.Read more about Living Wage Movement Aotearoa NZ here.1. Grace Tame - ChangeMaker Chat - #ICYMI
54:49||Season 9, Ep. 1Welcome back to ChangeMakers Podcast for 2025! It certainly feels like this is a big year for thinking creatively and deeply about how to make the world better!Our first episode is a re-run of a chat with the brilliant and powerful Grace Tame. Grace took a powerful form of action at the Australian of the Year event a few weeks ago, wearing a provocative t-shirt that got the country (and world) talking! We wanted to celebrate her clear minded and powerful advocacy by re-sharing the chat we had with her in 2023.Enjoy!For our overseas listeners - Grace Tame is the former Australian of the year who wore this t-shirt to an event with the Australian Prime Minister for the 2025 Australian of the Year awards in January. She was an Australian of the Year award winner in 2021 - having been a prominent advocate against child sexual abuse as a survivor. Since her award she has only expanded her reach and voice and this protest was to recognise one of Australia's most unhelpful Australian’s.This podcast was recorded in 2023.For more on ChangeMakers check us out:Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!)On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/Blue Sky Social - changemakerspod.bsky.aocial & amandatattersall.bsky.socialOn X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatattsOn LinkedIn - Amanda.Tattersall20. Nick Bryant - ChangeMaker Chat - Lessons from the US Election
47:52||Season 8, Ep. 20The whole world has just witnessed President Trump getting re-elected, but what is the long story behind what happened.In this chat, our last for 2024, we talk to Nick Bryant, US foreign correspondent and author of several books that have sought to understand what is going on with politics in the US!In this conversation Nick shares a little about why he because a journalist focused on the US, then with his eye to history, combined with his intrepid experience as a reporter in the US since the Clinton Administration, he helps explain some of the perpetual challenges that shape America, in particular the darker side to America’s Disneyland,- that help explain how President Trump has been able to be successful.For more on Nick's Books - including The Forever War (2024) and When America Stopped Being Great (2020):https://www.penguin.com.au/authors/nick-bryantRadio: Saturday ExtraYou can find links to the weekly radio program that Nick now hosts on ABC Radio National in Australia:https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/saturdayextra/saturday-extra/103551454ChangeMakers 2024 is supported by the Civic Power Fund and work with the UCL Policy Lab. This year they are supporting ChangeMakers to bring together a collection of Chats filled with extraordinary ideas and everyday experience to understand how we can change the world, www.ucl.ac.uk/policy-lab/ucl-policy-lab and www.civicpower.org.uk/.For more on ChangeMakers check us out:Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!)On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/On X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatattsOn LinkedIn - Amanda.Tattersall19. Dave Sweeney - ChangeMaker Chat - No Nuclear Campaigner #ICYMI
42:41||Season 8, Ep. 19Dave Sweeney has spent much of his life campaigning against the use of nuclear materials. For his efforts working with a group of colleagues at ICAN - the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons - he won a Nobel Peace Price in 2017.This is a story of the work he has done. For those curious about the history and risks of nuclear and to better understand some of the debate that is going on right now around nuclear energy, this is an episode worth listening to. This is a "In Case You Missed It Episode" (#ICYMI). We recorded this episode back in 2019.ChangeMakers 2024 is supported by the Civic Power Fund and work with the UCL Policy Lab. This year they are supporting ChangeMakers to bring together a collection of Chats filled with extraordinary ideas and everyday experience to understand how we can change the world, www.ucl.ac.uk/policy-lab/ucl-policy-lab and www.civicpower.org.uk/.For more on ChangeMakers check us out:Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!)On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/On X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatattsOn LinkedIn - Amanda.Tattersall18. What happened at the NSW Drug Summit last time? #ICYMI
48:24||Season 8, Ep. 18In NSW Australia there is a Drug Summit underway. It is exploring better ways to respond to the experience and effects of substance use. This episode is a story about the Uniting Church who helped lead the establishment of the first Drug Summit two decades ago and is still leading the Fair Treatment campaign to fight for a better way for the community to respond to drug use.This episode is a ChangeMakers story - it tells the story of the people who fought for that first Drug Summit, why they did it and what they achieved. It paints a picture of a different way that our society could respond to something that too many of us don't want to talk about or would prefer to push under the carpet - substance use.This episode was recorded in 2018 and is re-released today in support of the Fair Treatment's campaign. You can find out more about that campaign here - https://www.fairtreatment.org/ChangeMakers 2024 is supported by the Civic Power Fund and work with the UCL Policy Lab. This year they are supporting ChangeMakers to bring together a collection of Chats filled with extraordinary ideas and everyday experience to understand how we can change the world, www.ucl.ac.uk/policy-lab/ucl-policy-lab and www.civicpower.org.uk/.For more on ChangeMakers check us out:Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!)On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/On X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatattsOn LinkedIn - Amanda.Tattersall18. Chrisann Jarrett - ChangeMaker Chat - We Belong
59:32||Season 8, Ep. 18Its easy to think that the problems in our lives are all our fault. But some of the time - indeed much of the time - our problems also come from public life. That is Chrisann Jarrett's journey . When the UK's Home Office told her that she would not be treated as a UK citizen, even though she had lived there for most of her life - she felt like it was her problem. But as she talked with others she began to reframe her experience and see that it was the Home Office who had the problem and that she and others, together, could do something about it.This is the story of We Belong. The organisation that Chrisann and others have built - and some of the stories of the remarkable change they have made.For more on We Belong: https://www.webelong.org.uk/ChangeMakers 2024 is supported by the Civic Power Fund and work with the UCL Policy Lab. This year they are supporting ChangeMakers to bring together a collection of Chats filled with extraordinary ideas and everyday experience to understand how we can change the world, www.ucl.ac.uk/policy-lab/ucl-policy-lab and www.civicpower.org.uk/.For more on ChangeMakers check us out:Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!)On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/On X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatattsOn LinkedIn - Amanda.Tattersall17. Patrick Vernon - ChangeMaker Chat - Inside and Outside Strategy
51:52||Season 8, Ep. 17In this chat celebrated UK community leader Patrick Vernon shares a series of stories about how he has learnt to combined the strengths of putting pressure for change through grassroots activism, and negotiating for change through inside lobby and compromise. Patrick is known for his work in gaining recognition for Black migrants in the UK, particularly in campaigning for the recognition of Windrush Day and the contribution of Black leaders in UK history. He also has a fascinating set of experiences weaving change in external pressure for international solidarity and internal change in institutions like the NHS.Rather than our sometimes polarised political strategists that see activism or formal policy change as separate choices, Patrick makes the case for their versatile and creative interconnection if we are to make change across a progressive political ecosystem.ChangeMakers 2024 is supported by the Civic Power Fund and work with the UCL Policy Lab. This year they are supporting ChangeMakers to bring together a collection of Chats filled with extraordinary ideas and everyday experience to understand how we can change the world, www.ucl.ac.uk/policy-lab/ucl-policy-lab and www.civicpower.org.uk/.For more on ChangeMakers check us out:Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!)On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/On X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatattsOn LinkedIn - Amanda.Tattersall16. Nkosikhona Swaartbooi - ChangeMaker Chat - Reclaim Mother City
01:14:25||Season 8, Ep. 16This episode is a tour de force in the art of change making and the Black history of housing activism in Cape Town. Nkosikhona Swaartbooi has been a leading activist in the Reclaim the City movement that has fought for working class housing in Cape Town's urban core. He is now featured in a documentary called Mother City (2024) that shows this remarkable urban struggle.In this episode he takes us through his own journey and the city's journey to make radical change. For those fighting for housing in the Global North, this episode offers so many lessons about the versatile use of different strategies to make change, as well as the power of perseverance. No matter where you are, this is an inspiring story of change making at any moment has a long history.For more on Mother City, including information on how to invite the team to film festivals:https://www.mothercitydocumentary.com/For more on the previous ChangeMakers episodes linked to this episode:On Barcelona (see the second half of this episode)On Reclaim the City For more on Reclaim the City - the housing movement we discuss: https://reclaimthecity.org.za/ChangeMakers 2024 is supported by the Civic Power Fund and work with the UCL Policy Lab. This year they are supporting ChangeMakers to bring together a collection of Chats filled with extraordinary ideas and everyday experience to understand how we can change the world, www.ucl.ac.uk/policy-lab/ucl-policy-lab and www.civicpower.org.uk/.For more on ChangeMakers check us out:Via our Website - https://changemakerspodcast.org (where you can also sign up to our email list!)On Facebook, Instagram, Threads - https://www.facebook.com/ChangeMakersPodcast/On X/Twitter - @changemakers99 or @amandatattsOn LinkedIn - Amanda.Tattersall