ON THE COUCH

Daniel Arsham is one of the most commercially and conceptually ambitious artists alive, whose work asks a question that will stop you in your tracks: how will today be viewed a thousand years in the future? His work, often exploring decay and fictional archaeology, utilizes materials like crystal and volcanic ash to make modern objects appear ancient. His new book, Future Relic, is unlike anything you'll read this year: part memoir, part business manual for artists, built from decades of moving between gallery walls and global brand collaborations to personal projects, like his new cafe in Dubai. In this episode, he and host Alexandra Fairweather sit down on one of John Chamberlain's couches for a conversation that invites you to rethink your position in time.Follow our host: https://www.instagram.com/alexandrafairweather/ Follow our guest: https://www.instagram.com/danielarsham/?hl=en Stay up-to-date with the John Chamberlain Estate:Follow the John Chamberlain Estate: https://www.instagram.com/johnchamberlainestate/ To learn more about the work and mission of the John Chamberlain Estate, visit: https://www.john-chamberlain.com/ Media inquiries: chamberlain@dadagoldberg.comTune in to episodes of ON THE COUCH via Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon, YouTube, or wherever you prefer to stream.---------------Timestamps: 00:27 Introductions01:33 How Daniel got into art02:20 Chamberlain’s photography 03:47 Growing up in Miami04:54 Moving to NYC and attending art school05:35 Navigating your art career post-grad06:15 Daniel’s first international gallery show08:10 Working in stage design12:43 Mentorship and writing a book13:32 Navigating the business side of art 17:06 Daniel’s recent projects and travels18:37 How Daniel got into motorsports 19:07 Letting the art speak for itself + leaving a legacy21:11 Collaborating with athletes 22:40 Daniel’s Saturday morning ritual 24:32 Origin story of Daniel’s Bonsai speaker25:20 Using AI in the artistic process 26:16 Daniel’s cafe in Dubai28:20 Chamberlain’s stolen artwork 28:50 Daniel’s new obsession with golf30:47 Lightning-round begins31:17 Outro

ON THE COUCH's first-ever guest is Jon Gray — co-founder of Ghetto Gastro, the Bronx-born collective that uses food to spark conversations about culture, race, power, and belonging. Jon calls himself “the dishwasher,” but his work has moved from the block to the museum to the boardroom, merging food, art, fashion, design, and music into a cultural movement. What many people don’t realize is that Jon doesn’t think of food as his product — he sees it as his medium, using it to tell stories that will make you rethink every meal you've ever eaten. In this episode, he’s seated on a foam couch by John Chamberlain — the perfect setting for a conversation about making art from everyday materials.Follow our host: https://www.instagram.com/alexandrafairweather/Follow our guest: https://www.instagram.com/ghettogray/Stay up-to-date with the John Chamberlain Estate:Follow the John Chamberlain Estate: https://www.instagram.com/johnchamberlainestate/ To learn more about the work and mission of the John Chamberlain Estate, visit: https://www.john-chamberlain.com/ Media inquiries: chamberlain@dadagoldberg.com---------------Timestamps: 00:20 Introductions 1:51 Origin story of Chamberlain’s Shelter Island studio 2:51 Jon’s early discovery of art 4:32 Jon’s dream place to live7:20 G SPOT, Jon’s new gallery project9:29 How to make museums more accessible11:17 Jon reflects on his residency at The Met 13:38 How Ghetto Gastro came to be17:54 What’s next for Ghetto Gastro? 18:21 The Bronx in three words 19:26 Jon’s riskiest early-career moves22:23 How the matriarchs of his family influence Jon’s work24:57 Chamberlain's work as a hairdresser in the Motown era26:48 Jon on being honored by the Museum of Contemporary Art Detroit28:00 Little-known stories from Chamberlain’s early life 29:07 The best meal of Jon’s life32:53 The unique history of gumbo35:03 The legacy Jon wants to leave39:51 Chamberlain’s restaurant on Shelter Island40:47 Jon teases his new concept on sushi41:32 The best piece of advice Jon received in his youth42:08 Making art that’s hard to define45:52 Bringing back play47:00 Lightning round questions  48:35 Outro & Credits

ON THE COUCH invites you into the inspiring worlds of today’s cultural leaders. Join host Alexandra Fairweather as she sits down with guests on one of artist John Chamberlain’s iconic foam couches to discuss all aspects of creative life. In the debut season, you’ll hear from bold thinkers and creative polymaths like artists Daniel Arsham and David Salle; designers Misha Kahn, Sasha Bikoff, and Fernando Mastrangelo; fashion designer Alexander Wang; architect Annabelle Selldorf; and Jon Gray, Co-Founder of Ghetto Gastro. Each conversation sheds different light on how bold, original, and even seemingly impossible ideas come to life – and If you’ve ever wondered how legacy is truly built, this series is for you.Tune in to episodes of ON THE COUCH via Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon, YouTube, or wherever you prefer to stream. New episodes drop every other Tuesday starting May 19.