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John Swinney: First Minister of Scotland
Three weeks ago, US President Donald Trump came to Scotland on a private visit. During the trip he met Scottish First Minister John Swinney at his golf course in Aberdeenshire, where the two men discussed trade, tariffs and whisky.
In an exclusive interview for đđŽđđ¸ đđź đđšđŽđđ, Mr Swinney reveals details from those discussions as well as his own affection for whisky, especially Aberfeldy and Glenmorangie.
Of his talks with Mr Trump, Mr Swinney says; "I was making the pitch for the Scotch whisky industry and for Scotch whisky to be exempt from tariffs." Adding that he told Mr Trump the United States would also benefit if Scotch was exempted from tariffs because Scotland imports $300 million worth of bourbon barrels every year from the United States.
And Mr Swinney says he reminded Mr Trump that Scotch whisky is like Kentucky bourbon: "Where Kentucky bourbon can only be produced in Kentucky, Scotch whisky can only be produced in Scotland."
So does he think Mr Trump might now exempt Scotch whisky from the current 10% tariff which, according to the Scotch Whisky Association, is costing the industry ÂŁ4 million a week?
"I think President Trump has this on his radar now. I don't think he had it on his radar before he came to Scotland. I think he came to Scotland thinking that the US-UK trade deal was all concluded and that that was it."
As well as telling John about his discussions with Mr Trump, Mr Swinney reveals that he gave Mr Trump a framed copy of the handwritten entry in a ledger from the parish of Tong on the Isle of Lewis recording the marriage of the President's great grandparents in 1853, along with "an extract from the 1921 census from Stornoway which includes, of course, for the first time in the census record, his mother, Mary MacLeod, at the age of nine."
Aside from telling John about his meeting with Mr Trump, and discussing the significance of whisky to both Scottish identity and the Scottish economy, Mr Swinney, who doesn't drink "an awful lot of alcohol nowadays", admits he does have one or two particular whisky favourites: "I'm very fond of Aberfeldy whisky from my own constituency in North Perthshire. Also, I suppose habitually, I've probably been very fond of Glenmorangie. And that's been very special to me."
So tune in for the whole interview.
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Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)
Vocals: Andrea Cunningham
Guitars: John Beattie
Bass: Alasdair Vann
Drums: Alan Hamilton
Bagpipes: Calum McColl
Accordion: Gary Innes
Music & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John Beattie
Recorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, Scotland
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53. Every Whisky Has a Story: Jason Waddleton of The Haven Scots Bar in Boston
31:47||Ep. 53Imagine a Scottish bar that didnât sell Scotch whisky.Kinda defeats the purpose, doesnât it?But for almost seven years thatâs exactly what Jason Addleton, founder and owner of The Haven Scots bar in Boston, couldnât do.âWe had a real weird anomaly that people would walk in, ask for a Scotch. We couldnât serve them, because we had a beer and wine license only for the first six years,â Jason explains. âIt was brutal.âJason started The Haven in 2010, offering authentic Scottish cuisine, beers, and hosting Scottish events like Burns Suppers and Stonehaven Fireballs.âTalk about being a salesman and turning a negative into a positive. I had to do that daily,â Jason continues. âIâd be like, well, we donât have that, but weâve got great beer. And thankfully at the time, we had the whole Williams Brothers range of beers.âThat all changed in 2017 when Jason got a liquor license. Now his âwhole back wall is all single maltsâ. But he adds: âWe eschew the bigger names.ââWeâre not an airport bar. Weâre not a downtown hotel bar, where you see those big names. Theyâre always there, great whiskies, but we can get them anywhere. So we actually donât even have them on the back block. And thatâs not being snobby.âItâs just that we want to have a different experience with people. We want to talk about what weâve got. And thatâs part of it, creating that experience in the dialogue, communication, and without overthinking it.âBesides, he adds, âno oneâs ever walked out because we didnât have Macallan.âBoston is famous for its Irish bars, and The Haven is the cityâs only Scottish bar. Itâs also the only Scottish bar in Massachusetts, which Jason is very proud of.And, with 70 days to until the start of the FIFA menâs World Cup, Jasonâs gearing up to be the Tartan Armyâs home from home.Itâs been 28 years since Scotland last competed in the World Cup. And with two of Scotlandâs three games taking place at the Gilette Stadium just 40 minutes away, thousands of Scottish fans - perhaps as many as 40 thousand, Jason surmises - are expected to travel to Boston.And Jason canât wait. He was in France in 1998 for Scotlandâs last match at the World Cup, when they lost 3-0 to Morocco. So he knows how big a deal it is.âWhen that draw came, well when we qualified in November, of course straight away Iâm like, âWell thereâs a one in 12 chance-ish of them being located in Boston.â And then the draw happened.âI couldnât believe it! I was just like: âWow! Here we go.ââAnd then they did the exact draw the next day on the Saturday to locate the specific games to the specific stadiums. And here we got two games in Boston. Crazy!âSince then, ESPN has been in touch. Scottish radio stations have been in touch. Oneâs even planning to base itself at The Haven to record podcasts and programmes.Thereâs even something being planned with the Scottish Football Association, which Jason canât talk about yet.And heâs got a tie-in with Kilwhang independent bottlers from his hometown of Stonehaven to release a private bottling of cask strength 14-year-old Dailuaine single malt.So pour yourself a dram and tune in.As John says: âEvery whisky has a story.âSlĂ inte!-------Socials: @C2GWhisky | @JohnRossBeattie Creator & producer: David HolmesArt work & design: Jess Robertson Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)Vocals: Andrea CunninghamGuitars: John BeattieBass: Alasdair VannDrums: Alan HamiltonBagpipes: Calum McCollAccordion: Gary InnesMusic & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John BeattieRecorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, Scotland
52. All about Place: John Moore & Adrishaig Distillery
33:58||Ep. 52âIf youâre looking to create a whisky,â says John Moore of Stirling Whisky Company, âyou need two things. You need the body to be fit and healthy. So the distillate must be good.âAnd then you need to put a really good suit on it. And itâs got to be a suit that complements the whisky. And I think the GlenAllachie 15 does that perfectly.âGlenAllachie 15 is Johnâs âbankerâ; his âgo-toâ; the one whisky he âwould never grow tired of.âItâs a full-bodied whisky, he says, with âcomplexityâ, which âcoupled with the Oloroso and Pedro Ximenez that they have in it, gives it a sweetness and additional notes.âI just think itâs wonderful.âJohnâs been thinking a lot about creating a whisky.Heâs trying to get a new distillery off the ground in Ardrishaig, a coastal village on Loch Gilp on the west coast of Scotland, âat the gateway to Kintyre and the gateway to Islay, the gateway to Campbeltown,â as John describes it.All this talk of Adrishaig is enough to distract the other John - our John, you know John Beattie - from whisky chat.âI love Adrishaig!â exclaims JB. âItâs a strange wee, run-down place nowadays. But itâs on the way to Kennacraig, on the way to Islay, on the Crinan Canal.ââYeah, itâs a wonderful part of the world,â John Moore responds. âIâve been going up to that area for all of my life.âAnd the two Johns are off.Theyâre talking about the views: âYeah you can look right down the loch, canât you? See right down the loch. And I remember thinking, whatâs that?â JB enthuses. âItâs Arran. Itâs the island straight down the middle of the loch.âTheyâre talking about the history and the standing stones: âYou know the history,â exclaims JM. âI mean, itâs a beautiful, unbelievably beautiful part of the country. But the history that is immersed in the soil up there.ââI mean,â he continues, âit goes back 10,000 years.âAnd thatâs the attraction. Thatâs why John Moore wants to start a distillery in Adrishaig. Itâs the spirit of the place. Itâs the legacy in every nook and cranny; in every view and vista.And he wants to give something back; stop the decline.So the new Adrishaig Distillery - âThere used to be a distillery called Glenfyne, which closed in 1936.â - is intended to capture the spirit of the place.âOur belief is all about place,â John tells John. âWeâve been speaking to Mark Reynier of Bruichladdich fame. And he obviously introduced this sort of really barley focused, terroir driven kind of whisky that they have down there.âAnd thatâs something I believe in as well.âFor someone who got into the whisky industry âpurely by accident⌠12 years or so agoâ, Johnâs become a whisky evangelist.So join the two Johns as they discuss John Mâs journey from corporate finance to cask investment to distillery founder.There are some cautionary tales along the way as John M warns about the risks of investing in casks and offers invaluable advice on how to do it safely.And find out how he ended up with a rugby ball from Scotlandâs 1984 Grand Slam match against France, which John Beattie doesnât remember signingâŚHereâs to the spirit of a place, literal and physical.SlĂ inte!-------Socials: @C2GWhisky | @JohnRossBeattie Creator & producer: David HolmesArt work & design: Jess Robertson Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)Vocals: Andrea CunninghamGuitars: John BeattieBass: Alasdair VannDrums: Alan HamiltonBagpipes: Calum McCollAccordion: Gary InnesMusic & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John BeattieRecorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, Scotland
51. Beauty of the Blend: Ally Stevenson of Turntable Spirits
28:44||Ep. 51âThereâs no scientific reason that a blend should be inferior to a single malt,â insists Alasdair Stevenson of blending house Turntable Spirits. âIn ways you could argue the opposite in terms of flexibility and the creative opportunities that blending gives you. Itâs really all down to the strategy of the blender.âGo back 150 years or so to when blending started, Ally argues, and âit was about consistency, quality and flavour combination.ââI mean, if you take it into the world of wine or cooking, you would think about combining different components, different ingredients, different elements in some way to try and create something that is more than any one of the components.âThatâs why Ally says he and his brother Gordon started Turntable: âTo change the way people think about blended whisky. The idea was to turn the table, flip the record, do something different.ââWe both grew up in the world of whisky in some way,â Ally explains. âOur dad Graham, he worked in the industry for 30 years or so. So it was always in us to an extent, and we both joined the industry quite young.âOut of uni Ally joined BenRiach Distillery, which was then owned by legendary Master Blender Billy Walker and two South African partners.Billy, he says, âwas a great mentor; great person to learn from.â And when Billy sold BenRiach and acquired GlenAllachie from Pernod Ricard, Ally went with him.âI worked with Billy on the wood management and getting a better understanding of the blending and the strategy on that side of things. But,â he continues, Gordon and I, weâd always wanted to work together⌠wanted to start our own journey.âWe both had this shared frustration in some ways that all around the whisky world it felt like people had this perception of blends being inferior in quality to single malt. Obviously we didnât agree.âSo we almost thought when we were starting Turntable, can we try to combine how we see the best of the two categories? Can we go to the original idea of a blending house and the opportunity for creativity, for flavour combination but then combine that with the care to detail that you would usually find in the single malt category today?âBasically everything we do is small batch blended whisky, natural colour, unchilled filtered, at least 46%. And we try to really differentiate ourselves by focusing on transparency as well. So really drilling into the breakdown as to what is going into the blends, what percentage, what distillery, what cast type.âTurntable was launched in 2023. But the Stevensons had been acquiring casks from across Scotland since 2019.Today they own about 1,300 casks âthat could be anything from new make spirit through until 40 years oldâ.Join John as he and Ally celebrate "the beauty of the blend"; and learn how the Stevenson brothers are collaborating with âNew Worldâ distillers like Starward in Australia to produce international blended whiskies in Germany.SlĂ inte!-------Socials: @C2GWhisky | @JohnRossBeattie Creator & producer: David HolmesArt work & design: Jess Robertson Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)Vocals: Andrea CunninghamGuitars: John BeattieBass: Alasdair VannDrums: Alan HamiltonBagpipes: Calum McCollAccordion: Gary InnesMusic & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John BeattieRecorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, ScotlandSpecial thanks: The Piper Whisky Bar, 57 Cochrane Street, Glasgow, Scotland
50. Knockout Whisky & Food Pairings from MasterChef Finalist Sarah Rankin
30:57||Ep. 50How do you take your oysters?Yes oysters.Straight up? A splash of Tabasco? Or a couple of drops of whisky?Yes. Whisky!âIâd always have oysters with whisky rather than Tabasco,â Scottish food writer, broadcaster and 2022 UK MasterChef finalist Sarah Rankin tells John Beattie in this the 50th episode of Cask to Glass.âI love oysters and Cumbrae oysters are the best oysters there are,â she says. âA couple of drops of Tabasco brings out the sweetness, kind of opens up your tastebuds.âBut Sarah continues, âSwitch out the Tabasco for two or three drops of Laphroaig 10, because thatâs got that lovely seaweed back note. Itâs got a little bit of oiliness because they are quite rich, and your mind will be blown with that instead of Tabasco.âI would always have them now with whisky rather than with Tabasco. That would be my choice⌠It works so well with the briny, sort of slightly medicinal hit that you get from it with the liquor thatâs, you know, from the oyster.âItâs knockout!âYes. We agree! Itâs knockout.And full disclosure, this episode had us salivating from start to finish. Sarah even had John waxing lyrical about seasonal Scottish Brussel sprouts by the end.You could say he was eating out of her hand.After pairing whisky and cheese in Episode 48 with Paul Bock and David Reid, what better way to celebrate the heritage and flavour of Scotlandâs national drink and the worldâs favourite spirit than pairing it with Scotlandâs great cuisine.And who better than Sarah, author of two great Scottish cookbooks: Kith: Scottish Seasonal Food for Family and Friends (Birlinn, 2024) and Feast: Recipes that Bring Joy (Birlinn, 2025)?âWhisky has actually always been one of my things, long before it was legal for it to be one of my things,â Sarah confesses. âIt was my teenage tipple of choice.âIt soon became Sarahâs USP.âWhen I was quite young,â she continues, âI worked as a tour guide, and I used to take tour groups all around Scotland. And I realised quite early on that I was considerably younger than everyone else. So I needed to have something that made me a little bit different.âSo, I thought, well, I know a wee bit about whiskyâŚâAnd that was Sarahâs entre into whisky and food.Today, post-MasterChef, Sarah Rankin is one of Scotlandâs best-known foodies and a regular contributor on food and cooking for the BBC.So tune in as Sarah takes John on a culinary journey that pairs whisky with Scotlandâs finest produce, from venison and salmon to chocolate and ice cream.Whether youâre cooking with whisky or matching it with dishes, thereâs plenty to learn.So raise a glass to great whisky and great foodâŚSlĂ inte!-------Socials: @C2GWhisky | @JohnRossBeattie Creator & producer: David HolmesArt work & design: Jess Robertson Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)Vocals: Andrea CunninghamGuitars: John BeattieBass: Alasdair VannDrums: Alan HamiltonBagpipes: Calum McCollAccordion: Gary InnesMusic & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John BeattieRecorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, ScotlandSpecial thanks: The Piper Whisky Bar, 57 Cochrane Street, Glasgow, Scotland
49. Fraser Campbell: Whisky Polymath
33:15||Ep. 49âMy palate has seen a lot of action,â confesses Fraser Campbell, whisky educator, brand consultant, drinks strategist. âI started off working in pubs in Speyside when I was 18. And that was pretty much it.âTwenty seven years later Fraser is now the host and creator of Whisky Bytes, producing âsnackable knowledge whisky videosâ. His latest venture is One for the Road, a luxury chauffeur-driven tour and whisky tasting service, which launched earlier this year.But as an 18-year-old pouring drams in a local pub in Forres in north east Scotland, Fraser says he learnt âthe hard way not to pour water for the customer.ââThe first time I poured a whisky for someone, I added their water and drowned it and I had to duck.âDespite an inauspicious start, Fraser âstuck with barsâ as he puts he.After five years in Australia, where âI fell back in love with Scottish whiskyâ, and two to three years in Spain, Fraser was offered a job as the global ambassador for Dewarâs Blended Scotch.Whisky wasnât on his horizon, but he explains, âWhen someone says to you, âWould you like to travel the world and talk about whisky for a living?â, well it takes you about ten seconds to make your mind up.ââThe thing that really drew me to Dewarâs was the story of Tommy Dewar, who was the son of the original founder John Dewar, who had the shop in Perth back in 1846. And Tommy was a pioneer in advertising, marketing, and kind of the first brand marketer in a lot of ways.âHe invented the first ever advert for a brand, just a few years after a cinematography was invented. There was a black and white movie based on an advert, which was a painting of these three ghosts coming out of a painting to grab a bottle of Dewarâs.âSo they turned that into a live action advert. So he was well ahead of his time. So that's kind of really what landed it for me.ââI've always had a bit of an entrepreneurial spirit with a lot of things as well,â Fraser continues. âAnd I think the chance with Dewarâs came at a time when the brand was going through a lot of changes, going from what was perceived as an old man's blended Scotch whisky to a more progressive whisky for younger audiences.âSo it wasn't just the whisky, it was the idea to come in and be part of a change or a pivotal change in that history of that brand,â he concludes.Join John as he discovers how Fraser went from rookie teenager to whisky polymath.Listen in as they discuss whisky and regionality. (âItâs bonkers,â Fraser tells John, to suggest that âone massive 10,000 square mile region could produce one style and flavourâ of whisky.)Find out how the colour of whisky packaging can affect our perception of a whisky and how it will taste.And enjoy a rambling conversation that wanders where it wants, reviving memories of scenic beauty and recalling experiences that can never be repeated.After all Fraser says, "Whisky is a lot like music and a lot like food. It's about the occasion and who you're with and what you're doing."SlĂ inte!-------Socials: @C2GWhisky | @JohnRossBeattie Creator & producer: David HolmesArt work & design: Jess Robertson Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)Vocals: Andrea CunninghamGuitars: John BeattieBass: Alasdair VannDrums: Alan HamiltonBagpipes: Calum McCollAccordion: Gary InnesMusic & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John BeattieRecorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, ScotlandSpecial thanks: The Piper Whisky Bar, 57 Cochrane Street, Glasgow, Scotland
48. Do Whisky & Cheese Go Together? Paul Bock & David Reid
18:02||Ep. 48Whisky and cheese?Itâs a simple question really: Do they pair well together?Does a Gorgonzola go well with a smoky Bowmore? Or is it better with a sherry-flavoured Speyside? Say a Glenfarclas or a Tamdhu?And what should you have with Gruyère? Since lockdown, photographer Paul Bock and a brand marketer David Reid have been holding regular whisky and cheese soirees at Paulâs studio in Edinburgh.Up to 70 guests at times. Some are in the industry. Some are just friends. And some donât even like whisky.âWe invite people to come along, bring a bottle and bring a cheese,â David explains. âAll the whisky goes on one table, and all the cheese goes on another.âWe donât stipulate what kind of whisky it should be. It can be anything, but we try to get people to bring things that are a bit unusual.âSo nothing youâd find in major supermarket.And then, once âyouâve put your bottle down, youâve put your cheese down,â David continues, âitâs just a bit of a free for all.ââItâs really about friendship and meeting new people, and I guess just experimenting and finding out, you know, does gorgonzola go with a Bowmore or does a hard salty cheese go better with a lighter fruitier whisky?âItâs about people just finding out what works for them and chatting with each other and finding out what others think.ââWeâve had whiskies,â Paul picks up, âfrom all over the world. Obviously Japan, Wales. We had some English whiskies recently. And Irish⌠quite a lot of Irish.ââWeâve got a very committed attendee,â David adds, âwhoâs passionate about whisky and sheâs also passionate about her home country which is Romania. So sheâs now brought two different types of Romanian whisky which is, I must say, excellent.âItâs called Carpathian Single Malt. And that goes beautifully with, I canât remember exactly which cheese it goes best with, but I think it was maybe Brie.ââIt wouldnât have occurred to many people to have cheese [with whisky],â Paul admits. âItâs often chocolate people think of with whisky. But people think, âActually, letâs give it a go.â And theyâre often pleasantly surprised how well it does go.âJoin John as he explores what whiskies go with what cheeses.Find out if they contrast or complement each other.And pick up a few pointers from Paul and David, who, by their own admission, arenât whisky or cheese experts, but who love the subtle combinations of taste and texture which only whisky and cheese can bring out.SlĂ inte!-------Socials: @C2GWhisky | @JohnRossBeattie Creator & producer: David HolmesArt work & design: Jess Robertson Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)Vocals: Andrea CunninghamGuitars: John BeattieBass: Alasdair VannDrums: Alan HamiltonBagpipes: Calum McCollAccordion: Gary InnesMusic & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John BeattieRecorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, ScotlandSpecial thanks: The Piper Whisky Bar, 57 Cochrane Street, Glasgow, Scotland
47. Headwinds & Choppy Seas: Mark Kent CEO of the Scotch Whisky Association
20:17||Ep. 47âWeâre going through a period of short-term volatility,â admits Mark Kent, CEO of the Scotch Whisky Association.âVolatility which,â he says, âis partly to do with international trade conditions; partly to do with the domestic situation we find ourselves in.âAnd youâll know that weâve had 17 percent duty increases; increases in energy costs, general costs of doing business at home, which is really acting as a brake on the industry.âAnd then weâve got tariffs and the US.âA week ago HMRC, the UKâs tax agency, published the UKâs export statistics for 2025, including whisky which is the UKâs biggest food and drink export product.âWhat these figures show,â Mark continues, âis weâre just under one percent down in terms of value across the world last year. And in terms of volume, weâre just over four percent down.âThat doesnât sound too badâŚBut, Mark cautions, âthe big thing which sticks out is that since tariffs came into forces in the US, weâre 15 percent down in terms of volume that shipped to the US.âThings may not have âfallen off a cliffâ, as Mark puts it. âBut at the moment,â he acknowledges, âweâre going through very choppy seas.ââYou just have to read the papers to see news about job losses, cutbacks in production, maltings which are closing. This is real stuff and this is affecting the Scottish economy and rural communities in particular.âWhen I go and meet with farmers, they say: âWhatâs happening with India? Whatâs happening with the US? Because weâre getting less orders through for the malting barleyâŚâ for example.âAnd then you look right through the production chain to the hospitality industry. Hospitality is being hit. Tourism is being hit.âSo what does Mark make of report in the Scotsman newspaper that âalmost one in five of all Scotlandâs distilleries is in financial distressâ?âI read that; and I can quite believe that anecdotally, because when we speak to our members, they are very concerned and there are real issues.âAnd these issues â or âheadwindsâ as Mark describes them â impact the entire supply chain.Join John as he explores the state of the Scotch whisky industry with the man at the helm of its trade association.Find out whoâs most at risk.Discover what Government interventions Mark believes will most help the sector.And find out why, despite all his concerns, Mark is "still very confident about the long-term potential of the industry."âI was having a discussion with somebody,â Mark concludes, âand I said, âIâm not an optimist. Iâm not a pessimist. Iâm a realist. And think thatâs what we have to be. And we have to say things they are.âI go back to how we started this. Long term, the potential is still there. Weâve got a great industry. Itâs not going to go away. Weâre going to see markets continue to grow.âWhat we have to do is ensure that we have the support necessary to get to that longer term potential.âSlĂ inte!-------Socials: @C2GWhisky | @JohnRossBeattie Creator & producer: David HolmesArt work & design: Jess Robertson Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)Vocals: Andrea CunninghamGuitars: John BeattieBass: Alasdair VannDrums: Alan HamiltonBagpipes: Calum McCollAccordion: Gary InnesMusic & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John BeattieRecorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, ScotlandSpecial thanks: The Piper Whisky Bar, 57 Cochrane Street, Glasgow, Scotland
46. Red Flags to Investing in Whisky Casks with Ryan Grant
17:25||Ep. 46Back in Series 1 Episode 5, Martin McAdam of Ardgowan Distillery joked that âthe best thing you can do with whisky is put it in a cask, put it in a warehouse and never sell it because itâs increasing in value all the time.ââThe longer you can hold onto your whisky,â he told us, âthe more valuable it becomes.âOn that premise youâd think that whisky is a sure-fire investment.Well yes⌠and noâŚAs weâve discussed on several occasions with our good friend Max McFarlane, former Master Blender at Edrington and now himself with Ardgowan, there are a lot of pitfalls when it comes to investing in whisky casks.Primarily, Max says, because there are a lot of con-artists out there.Itâs an issue thatâs been getting a lot of media attention over the last year or so. Most notably in the BBCâs TV documentary and podcast series Hunting the Whisky Bandits by Sam Poling.Well a week ago, former Scotland and British & Irish Lions rugby international Ryan Grant, who now runs The Caledonian Cask Partnership, posted on LinkedIn that âthe whisky cask world has a bit of a problem. Itâs unregulated, and thereâs a lot of misinformationâ.And he promised to share in coming posts what heâd learnt about:Buying casks safelyWhatâs genuinely good value (and what isnât)Why honesty still matters in businessWe couldnât wait for his posts.So, John caught up with Ryan again. (You may remember Ryan and Max McFarlane were part of our oh so impartial Seven Nations Whisky judging panel in Series 1 Episode 21 ahead of the Lions tour to Australia.)Ultimately, Ryan says, every cask has to end up in a glass.âNinety nine percent of people that buy whisky for an investment will need to sell it back to the trade to get their money back because there comes a point where it has to go into a bottle.âIt may sound obvious, but Ryan says: âI see some stuff from companies that email out and theyâll say this cask will be X price and then in 10 years it will be X price. And I find that thatâs quite inflated a lot of the time.âA basic rule of thumb is that if that whisky at 10 years old on the shelf retails for ÂŁ50, but the value of your cask works out at ÂŁ70 a bottle, then itâs not a good investment.âSo do your due diligence; do your sums: âIf it doesnât translate from wood to into glass pricewise then itâs not going to happen.âIf in doubt, ask, he says.Speak to people in the trade: producers or bottlers, âas opposed to someone whoâs in a whisky investment companyâ.âThe whisky industry is so welcoming and everyoneâs very friendly,â Ryan continues. âNo-oneâs going to shy you away from asking a question, âLook Iâm about to do this. Do you think itâs a good idea?ââTune in to this weekâs episode find out what Ryanâs red flags are when it comes to investing in whisky casks; what he thinks of the state current state of the whisky industry; and why he finds whisky so alluring.SlĂ inte!-------Socials: @C2GWhisky | @JohnRossBeattie Creator & producer: David HolmesArt work & design: Jess Robertson Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)Vocals: Andrea CunninghamGuitars: John BeattieBass: Alasdair VannDrums: Alan HamiltonBagpipes: Calum McCollAccordion: Gary InnesMusic & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John BeattieRecorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, ScotlandSpecial thanks: The Piper Whisky Bar, 57 Cochrane Street, Glasgow, Scotland
45. The Most Collectible Rugby Malt Piece on the Planet?
34:55||Ep. 45Word of Richie Grayâs First Fifteen has been getting around, âto the point where,â the Scottish rugby and American football coach says, âI never even thought to myself youâd be getting the calls youâve been getting over the last two or three weeks.âAnd Richieâs had his share of high impact phone calls. The Springboks in 2014. The Miami Dolphins in 2016. Fiji in 2020. And the Philadelphia Eagles in 2023.Heâs the Collision King. A training innovator and coaching entrepreneur whose contact and collision methodologies and training aids are used across world rugby and the NFL. 24 out of 32 NFL teams use his system.But itâs his passion for whisky now prompting the phone calls. And itâs putting pressure on him to make âsome big decisionsâ this year.âWhenâs it going to auction?â his callers are asking. âWhenâs it going to auction?âIt is a wooden cabinet with inlaid brass linking rugby and whisky, an idea that came to Richie as he and some rugby friends were sitting round the barbecue in France having glass of wine.âI said,â Richie explains, âYou know what? You need to finish with a malt. Iâm a Scotsman. A proud Scotsman. Malt whisky has been part of your life. Your old rugby committee men would have a whisky. You were brought up on whisky. Sometimes you had whisky at half-time.âSo I said, I want to create the most collectible rugby malt piece on the planet. And weâre all rolling about laughing and they were all like: âWhat are you gonna do?ââAnd it started. It started.âRichie teamed up with Anthony Wills from Kilchoman Distillery on Islay (featured in Season 1 Episode 8 of Cask to Glass in March 2025).Now Richieâs never been to Islay.But he learnt that Anthonyâs farm-to-bottle distillery had a sign in one of the fields saying Rugby Park Field, so called Anthony told him, because âthatâs where the first ever game of rugby took place on Islay. It was given by the farmer to the rugby club to start their journey as a rugby team.âTogether they came up with Kilchoman RugbyField Malt, a limited-edition 9 year old single cask malt. Just 245 bottles released in 2022.âAnd this is like the punch,â Richie says. âI said: âIâm willing to do all the work for this and set it up and whatever, but I would like the first 15 bottles, because Iâm going to do something with them eventually when Iâve got the time.ââOne thing led to another,â Richie continues. âAnd on the day we released it, the Wills family from Kilchoman sent me down the first 15. So it sat and it sat there for the last three years, until maybe mid 2025 and I then I thought: âRight. Here we go.âIâd always had this idea in my head,â Richie tells John. âI wanted to create a phenomenal Scottish oak cabinet.âI wanted Glencairn glasses at the top. I wanted 15 bottles in there, like a team sheet in some ways.âAnd I wanted it all done in Scottish Gaelic, you know. Aâ Chiad 15.âThe 1st 15.âAnd then, I canât say it in Gaelic, but itâs âWhere the spirits of the legends come to play.â Because I always like the Field of Dreams film.âAnd just like the movie says: âIf you build it, he will comeâŚâWordâs got out. And Richieâs phone wonât stop ringing.âThe world of malt whisky must bloody move quickly,â he chuckles.Will he auction it? And how much is it worth?Richieâs coy on both those counts. But he admit, âThe whole thingâs insured for a six-figure sum. And itâs had to be insured for that. And itâs not a low six-figure sum just because we couldnât come up with a price because you just donât knowâŚâTune in to catch the full story.SlĂ inte!-------Socials: @C2GWhisky | @JohnRossBeattie Creator & producer: David HolmesArt work & design: Jess Robertson Music: Water of Life (Never Going Home)Vocals: Andrea CunninghamGuitars: John BeattieBass: Alasdair VannDrums: Alan HamiltonBagpipes: Calum McCollAccordion: Gary InnesMusic & Lyrics: Andrea Cunningham & John BeattieRecorded & mixed by Murray Collier at La Chunky Studios, Glasgow, ScotlandSpecial thanks: The Piper Whisky Bar, 57 Cochrane Street, Glasgow, Scotland