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Youth voting, debates, gangs and child cancer treatment
This week on Both Sides Now, we’re kicking things off with a bit of international chaos, from Shane Gillis’ monologue to Trump reportedly giving his press secretary just five days in the job.
Back home, the clock is ticking for young voters to get enrolled, with the deadline hitting midnight on 25 October. We chat about the enrolment changes, why youth turnout matters, and why politics affects pretty much everything we do — whether you’re interested in it or not.
It’s debate week, and we’ve got thoughts. The minor party debate with Tova was the standout, with Q holding his own against Chloe, Winny and Rawiri. The Chris v Chris showdown? A little more average. From comments about having more babies to vaping and the three hours of reading, writing and maths policy, there was plenty to unpack.
Plus, we hit the campaign trail to talk gangs, child cancer treatments, and whatever else the politicians are throwing at us this week. And of course, we finish with our social media moment of the week. Because if there’s one thing this election isn’t short of, it’s content.
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35. Attacks on politicians, the last round of debates and electorates to watch
01:00:59||Season 4, Ep. 35This week on Both Sides Now, we’re talking political attacks, debate drama and the electorates that could decide E night.We discuss the attack on Helen Haines and the wider issue of attacks on politicians in New Zealand, particularly women, and what it means for anyone putting themselves out there in public life.Plus, we break down the final round of leaders’ debates, what stood out and how the leaders are shaping up heading into election day. And with E night fast approaching, we run through the electorates to watch — the seats that could make all the difference.The countdown is on. Let’s get into it.
33. Debates, billionaires, the latest policy drop and strategic voting
56:48||Season 4, Ep. 33This week on Both Sides Now, we’re breaking down the election debates, the latest policy drops, and whether strategic voting could shake up the election.We kick things off with the debates: did Winston Peters come out on top in the kingmakers’ showdown and was a relatively uneventful performance actually a win for Luxon? Plus, the NZ Herald’s Future of NZ debate gets a big tick from us — if you watch one debate this election, make it this one.On the policy front, National wants to drug test beneficiaries and tighten the rules around Jobseeker, ACT wants to scrap tax on KiwiSaver earnings, Labour is promising a 10% student loan write-off, and the Greens are pitching cheaper public transport and a return of passenger rail. Meanwhile, Winston Peters is back stirring the pot on conversion therapy and abortion.And finally, could strategic voting change the game on the right? With National and Labour polling much closer than we’ve come to expect, the old rules around electorate and party votes might not apply this time around. We unpack what it means, who could benefit, and whether voters will need a strategy of their own come election day.
32. The Tax Tea Part Two with Shamubeel Eaqub
42:04||Season 4, Ep. 32We’ve talked tax with Brad Olsen. Now we’re hearing it from a different angle.This time on Both Sides Now, we’re joined by Simplicity economist Shamubeel Eaqub to ask some pretty basic questions that somehow get very complicated very quickly.Is our tax system actually fair? Are we taxing the right things? Should we be taxing wealth differently? And is government debt really the ticking time bomb we’re often told it is?Shamubeel has a different way of looking at the problem — and he’s not afraid to challenge some of the assumptions that sit underneath the political debate.Because when politicians talk about tax, there’s usually a lot they don’t tell you.
31. The Tax Tea Part One with Brad Olsen
01:06:00||Season 4, Ep. 31Tax is everywhere in this election — but how much are politicians actually telling us?This week on Both Sides Now, we sit down with economist Brad Olsen to spill The Tax Tea and get into the stuff that tends to get left out of the campaign slogans.Is our tax system actually fair? What taxes should we have — and what shouldn’t we be taxing? Is debt really the big problem politicians make it out to be? And what does a good tax system actually look like?No “tax cuts good, tax hikes bad” soundbites here — just an adult conversation about where the money comes from, where it goes, and what voters should actually be thinking about when politicians start talking tax.
30. What is dirty work and is it really dirty? this weeks policy drop and the last week in parliament
01:00:22||Season 4, Ep. 30We kick things off with the Hager book — the latest political bombshell making waves in Wellington. We get into what’s in it, the reaction it’s sparked, and what it all means with the election just around the corner. To give the book some context Eve shares her experience of working at the Taxpayers Union. Then it’s another big week of policy drops, starting with Supermarkets 3.0 — Labour's plan to shake up the grocery duopoly, including new independent wholesalers, a crackdown on unfair contracts and junk fees, and more options for smaller supermarkets.The Greens want a fairer deal for small businesses, Labour has a tax cut for landlords — was this the right decision in a cost of living crisis? Plus screen-free early childhood education and limits on screens in primary schools, TPM’s proposed $200m independent LGBTQ+ commission, and the Greens’ latest push on lobbying.Then it’s the last week of Parliament: goodbye RMA, hello Planning Act and Natural Environment Act; the BSA is scrapped; council amalgamation and LNG are delayed; and we look at the MPs who’ve been kicked out along the way.We also get into the latest Ipsos Issues Monitor — what are actually the issues voters care about right now?And, of course, Social Media Moment of the Week: Nicola Grigg reminds us of the abuse politicians cop online, while Tamatha Paul and Max Key provide the political interaction that was not on our bingo car for the year. Finally, the Stuff Kingmakers debate is on this Thursday night — so we’ll be watching. Tune in online.
29. Dr Mike Turner demystifies polls, AI in politics and campaigning
57:50||Season 4, Ep. 29This week on Both Sides Now, we’re joined by Freshwater Strategy's Dr Mike Turner, International pollster and political researcher, for a chat about pretty much everything you could want to know about politics and campaigning.We start with where the NZ election is at, what the latest polls are telling us and, perhaps more importantly, what they aren’t telling us. Mike takes us through how polling actually works, why polls can get it wrong and how much we should read into those numbers that dominate the headlines.We also go well beyond the election — talking about AI and what it could mean for the future of work, whether Gen Z and Gen Alpha are engaging with politics differently, and what younger voters might mean for the future of political engagement.Basically, if you’ve ever looked at a poll and wondered “how do they actually know this?” — we’ve got you covered.
28. Ed v Mackelmore, more supermarket policy, training wages for u20s, and more!
48:37||Season 4, Ep. 28This week on Both Sides Now, we kick things off with Ed Sheeran vs Macklemore, has Ed made the right call?Then we get into the big policy stories of the week: National entering the supermarket chat. Labour taking aim at supermarket price gouging, the Greens putting $200m behind Te Reo Māori, and Te Pāti Māori’s plans for New Zealand’s energy system.And we get into ACT’s small business policy, including a proposed freeze on the minimum wage and a new youth training wage for under-20s, set at 60% of the minimum wage for up to a year. ACT says the policy is about making it easier for businesses to take on and train young people — but what does it mean for young workers?We also look at National’s plan to put more police on public transport — will it actually make people feel safer, and what would it look like in practice?
27. A whistlestop tour of the NINE new policies announced this week
52:12||Season 4, Ep. 27This week on Both Sides Now, we’re doing a political whistlestop tour because all the parties decided to do a policy dump this week. We start with the Green's KiwiMart. We then run through Labour and ACT's climate change and policies. TPM and ACT’s plans for the Waitangi Tribunal, what do these policies surpassingly have in common? We then go into Labour's AI policy, National’s first-home buyer announcement, and NZ First’s push around superannuation for citizens — plus the latest twist on immigration. We finish with Opportunity’s IERF policy.It’s a lot, but we’re breaking down what’s actually being proposed, why the parties are pushing it, and what it could mean if they ever make it into government.Another week, another nine things to have an opinion about. Welcome to election year.