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Co-creators Mickey Down & Konrad Kay on ‘Industry’
This week Michela and the FT’s US banking editor, Joshua Franklin, interview the co-creators of the hit television show, Industry. In its fourth season, the show follows the lives of ambitious young people making their way in London's financial centre. The season finale aired earlier this week, and in this episode, Michela and Joshua discuss with the creators, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay, the overlap between their show's storylines and real world finance.
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For further reading:
How I won a starring role — OK, bit part — in HBO’s ‘Industry’
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How Wirecard’s Jan Marsalek went from fraudster to spy
HBO’s 'Industry', and Esther Perel
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