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Drinking to Mask and Unmask: Masking Is Real

Season 8, Ep. 3

What is masking, why do people do it, and can it actually be measured?


Chelsey Flood speaks with researcher Dr Laura Hull about the science of masking, the experiences that masking describes, and why having language for these behaviours matters. Together they explore what masking looks like, what people may be masking, and the growing body of research helping us better understand neurodivergent experiences.


In this episode:



  • What masking is
  • The science behind masking research
  • Why people mask
  • The importance of language and recognition
  • Neurodivergent identity and understanding


Content Note: This episode includes discussion of mental health and masking research.


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