{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/f5b64019-68c3-57d4-b70b-043e63e5cbf6/6abf0a6967b6d36f8704e369?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Mahmoud Khalil: “We Can’t Afford to Stay Silent”","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/61b775cb169562bbade950d2/1790904928516-be5d2df5-515b-4360-a445-f03af3e4973b.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Three years into Israel’s genocide in Gaza, the U.S. government is still targeting pro-Palestine student activists.</p><p>Even before federal immigration agents descended on communities around the country, killing immigrants and protesters, unmarked agents were <a href=\"https://theintercept.com/2025/03/30/tufts-rumeysa-ozturk-ice-immigration-op-ed/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">abducting</a> students who had <a href=\"https://theintercept.com/2025/09/30/rubio-noem-deport-aaup-ruling-free-speech/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">voiced criticisms of Israel</a>.</p><p><a href=\"https://theintercept.com/2025/04/10/deportation-case-mahmoud-khalil-antisemitism-rubio-trump/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Mahmoud Khalil</a> was the first. After federal agents detained him at his alma mater, Columbia University, he spent more than 100 days in an Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facility <a href=\"https://theintercept.com/2025/03/11/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-ice-louisiana/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">in Louisiana</a>. It’s been over a year since he was <a href=\"https://theintercept.com/2025/06/20/mahmoud-khalil-homeland-security-investigations-ice-surveillance/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">released</a> and returned to live with his family in New York City. The Trump administration is still trying to deport him.</p><p>“Part of why I&#39;m doing this right now rather than waiting 10 years or 20 years is because what&#39;s happening now in ICE detention is a stain on the U.S. conscience,” Khalil tells The Intercept Briefing. “I don&#39;t want to look back in 20 years and reckon with what&#39;s happening. I want to stop the killing <em>now</em>. I want to stop the disappearances now. I want to stop the cruelty now.”</p><p>This week on the podcast, Khalil speaks with host Akela Lacy about what he’s learned about how he became President Donald Trump’s top target, the role Columbia University played in that campaign, and his new book, “<a href=\"https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250462015/nolandtostandon/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">No Land to Stand On</a>,” which chronicles Khalil’s experience in ICE detention, missing the birth of his first child, his ongoing saga to stay in the U.S. with his family, and more.</p><p>“It&#39;s been so difficult just to have that conversation with my wife Noor about what would happen,” Khalil says. “What are we doing? Is it worth the fight? Should we just leave? But to me, this fight isn&#39;t only about whether I get to stay in this country.”</p><p>“It&#39;s about whether anyone — whether they are citizens or non-citizens — are <a href=\"https://theintercept.com/collections/chilling-dissent/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">able to speak out against government policies</a> and against the support of Israel in this country. It goes down to a very basic thing: If they are able to deport someone for their views on Palestine, they would be able to deport anyone on their views, whether it is pro-Palestine or pro-Israel or anything.”</p><p>For more, listen to the full conversation of The Intercept Briefing on <a href=\"https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intercept-briefing/id1195206601\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href=\"https://open.spotify.com/show/2js8lwDRiK1TB4rUgiYb24?si=e3ce772344ee4170\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Spotify</a>, <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW0Gy9pTgVnvgbvfd63A9uVpks3-uwudj\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">YouTube,</a> or wherever you listen.</p><p><strong>Full transcript: </strong>https://interc.pt/4ywVeOA</p><p>Keep our investigations free and fearless at <a href=\"https://join.theintercept.com/donate/Donate_Podcast?source=interceptedshoutout&amp;recurring_period=one-time\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">theintercept.com/join</a></p>","author_name":"The Intercept"}