{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/d556eb54-6160-4c85-95f4-47d9f5216c49/6a3d3d19a3fa978237001247?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Tocqueville Road Trip: 5. Hour of strife","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/62e286a934d4d93d6587424a/1782397844127-ae294457-fd29-41cc-a685-f0df3cf7dcc6.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Tocqueville predicted that the question of who gets to call themselves an American would have a long and troubled future. Donna Hughes-Brown never thought that question would apply to her. Until ICE showed up.</p><p><br></p><p>Guests and Hosts</p><p><br></p><ul><li>John Prideaux, <em>The Economist’</em>s US editor and host of “Tocqueville Road Trip”</li><li>Donna Hughes-Brown, immigrant and Green-card holder</li><li>Jim Brown, Donna’s husband&nbsp;</li><li>Richard K. Jones, Sheriff of Butler County, Ohio&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Topics</p><p><br></p><ul><li>Tocqueville’s “Democracy in America” and his views on slavery</li><li>Victims of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)&nbsp;</li><li>The federal government’s power</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Let us know what you think. Email podcasts@economist.com</p><p>You can share this episode with non-subscribers by gifting it from <a href=\"https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2026/06/25/5-hour-of-strife\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>The Economist</em> app</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>To listen to the full series, subscribe to <a href=\"https://subscribenow.economist.com/podcasts-plus\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Economist Podcasts+</a></p><p><br></p><p>If you’re already a subscriber to <em>The Economist</em>, you have full access to all our shows as part of your subscription. For more information about how to access Economist Podcasts+, please visit our <a href=\"https://myaccount.economist.com/s/article/What-is-Economist-Podcasts\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">FAQs</a> page or watch our <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gczo71bg1uY\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">video</a> explaining how to link your account.</p><p><br></p>","author_name":"The Economist"}