{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/d556eb54-6160-4c85-95f4-47d9f5216c49/64a7d220608aed001184d219?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"I spy: meeting Ukraine’s intelligence chief","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/62e286a934d4d93d6587424a/1685283458637-526293c13c0a8d33b972b15dd587109b.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>We sit down with Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s youngest-ever <a href=\"https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/06/20/ukraines-spymaster-has-got-under-the-kremlins-skin?utm_campaign=a.io&amp;utm_medium=audio.podcast.np&amp;utm_source=theintelligence&amp;utm_content=discovery.content.anonymous.tr_shownotes_na-na_article&amp;utm_term=sa.listeners\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">spymaster</a>. He is intense, resolute—and oddly charismatic. A world of electrified transport is going to need lots of nickel for batteries. We argue that, environmentally speaking, gathering it from the seafloor <a href=\"https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/07/06/the-world-needs-more-battery-metals-time-to-mine-the-seabed?utm_campaign=a.io&amp;utm_medium=audio.podcast.np&amp;utm_source=theintelligence&amp;utm_content=discovery.content.anonymous.tr_shownotes_na-na_article&amp;utm_term=sa.listeners\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">clearly beats</a> mining it on land (11:12). And remembering <a href=\"https://www.economist.com/obituary/2023/07/06/donald-triplett-was-the-first-man-diagnosed-with-autism?utm_campaign=a.io&amp;utm_medium=audio.podcast.np&amp;utm_source=theintelligence&amp;utm_content=discovery.content.anonymous.tr_shownotes_na-na_article&amp;utm_term=sa.listeners\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Donald Triplett</a>, the first person ever to be diagnosed with autism (19:25).</p><p><br></p><p><em>Additional audio courtesy of “In A Different Key”, inadifferentkeythemovie.com</em></p><p>For full access to print, digital and audio editions of <em>The Economist</em>, try a free 30-day digital subscription by going to <a href=\"https://www.economist.com/intelligenceoffer\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">www.economist.com/intelligenceoffer</a></p>","author_name":"The Economist"}