{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/a2466097-64ef-4550-b53b-24d082145a43/baeda325-3a6c-4185-886a-3a647fc10743?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"To a Lesser Degree: Ratcheting up","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/62e288ee34d4d924cf874292/62e288f0f9094c00117983fa.png?height=200","description":"<p>COP26 has come to a close. What does the outcome mean for the future of the planet? We measure it against earlier landmarks of environmental summitry.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Gro Harlem Brundtland, a former Norwegian prime minister and pioneer of environmental dealmaking, tells us the process is yielding results. And science fiction author Kim Stanley Robinson makes the case for optimism.</p><p><br></p><p>Hosted by Vijay Vaitheeswaran, <em>The Economist</em>’s global energy and climate innovation editor, with environment editor Catherine Brahic, and Oliver Morton, our briefings editor.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>For full access to print, digital and audio editions as well as exclusive live events, subscribe to The Economist at<a href=\"http://economist.com/USpod\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"> </a><a href=\"http://subscribenow.economist.com/standard?utm_campaign=a_io&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_source=toalesserdegree&amp;utm_content=dr_nativereads-shownotes_nop-io12&amp;utm_term=listeners\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">economist.com/climatepod</a> and you can sign up to our fortnightly climate newsletter at <a href=\"https://www.economist.com/theclimateissue/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">economist.com/theclimateissue</a>.</p>","author_name":"The Economist"}