{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/9a03fe9e-1ff0-4dcc-b3f6-50bd1f016ea4/d5953b67-124c-4f5b-b271-a894e9ba894d?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Labour and Brexit: Beyond the Crisis","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6195701f2eacc3a36070252a/619570bccb3c660012e3cfa9.jpg?height=200","description":"<p>David is joined by Helen Thompson and Chris Brooke to try to get beyond the current crisis and work out where British politics is heading.&nbsp;How different is Starmer's political programme likely to be from Corbyn's?&nbsp;Can the Labour party become the party of the workers again?&nbsp;And is Brexit really going to happen without an extension and without a deal?&nbsp;Plus we explore the renewed influence of the trade unions and ask what it means for the political choices ahead.</p><p><br></p><p>Talking Points:</p><p><br></p><p>What kind of Labour Party is Keir Starmer looking to create?</p><ul><li>He never presented himself as a Corbynite, though there are some significant leftward moves policy wise.</li><li>Labour is a more recognizably a social democratic party than it was during the new Labour era.</li><li>We probably will see party management return to something that is more familiar from Ed Miliband’s era.&nbsp;</li><li>Starmer seems to be moving away from a Green New Deal kind of Labour politics.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Does moving back to being a workers’ party move you away from being a students’ party?</p><ul><li>Once you have enough people going to university and acquiring a lot of debt to do so, the question of separation between workers and students starts to fall away.</li><li>The nature of work is changing.</li><li>The current crisis may give Starmer a chance to cut across these divides.&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Issues about unions and workplaces go to the top of government policy at the moment.</p><ul><li>The unions will be pushing health and safety issues as far as they can.</li><li>The unions can make a better case that they’re on the side of ordinary people.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>The universal basic income question has emerged again.</p><ul><li>Starmer doesn’t seem to be that keen.</li><li>Public opinion isn’t fully behind UBI.</li><li>A lot depends on the medium-term economic fallout, especially the employment damage.</li><li>So far, the biggest hits have come in the service sector.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Starmer is trying to move on from Brexit.</p><ul><li>Is this just tactical? The government will have to make decisions on Brexit.&nbsp;</li><li>The virus could be easier for the government to move towards a no trade deal exit.</li><li>From the point of view from the EU, negotiating a trade agreement with Britain is even less of a priority now.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Mentioned in this Episode:</p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/07/must-better-support-ve-day-generation-covid-crisis/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Starmer’s column on VE day</a></li><li><a href=\"https://global.oup.com/academic/product/transfer-state-9780198813262?cc=gb&amp;lang=en&amp;\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Peter Sloman’s book, <em>Transfer State</em></a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Further Learning:</p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/03/keir-starmer-sensible-radical\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The New Statesman on Keir Starmer</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/10/recipe-for-chaos-trade-union-leaders-warn-against-return-to-work-lockdown-coronavirus\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Union leaders sound warnings about the return to work</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/in-keir-starmer-labour-has-an-heir-to-john-smith-9bn52gsjb\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Is Keir Starmer like John Smith?</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>And as ever, recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: </strong><a href=\"http://lrb.co.uk/talking\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>lrb.co.uk/talking</strong></a></p><p><br></p>","author_name":"David Runciman and Catherine Carr"}