{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/9a03fe9e-1ff0-4dcc-b3f6-50bd1f016ea4/bf88db45-deb9-4742-a88e-3147c847307c?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Jill Lepore on the Insurrection","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6195701f2eacc3a36070252a/619570bccb3c660012e3ce67.jpg?height=200","description":"<p>David talks to historian Jill Lepore about what took place at the Capitol on January 6th.&nbsp;What should we call it?&nbsp;What can we compare it to?&nbsp;And what should happen next?&nbsp;Plus we ask how Biden ought to address what happened in his inaugural next week.&nbsp;Are we past the time for talk about reconciliation?</p><p><br></p><p>Talking Points:</p><p><br></p><p>Is there a word for what happened in the US on 6 Jan?&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Many Republicans are still defending the insurrection. The likes of Limbaugh and Gingrich are calling it a ‘march.’</li><li>The American Right always wants to resurrect the American Revolution and the Left wants to resurrect the Civil War.</li><li>To call it an ‘insurrection’ is to evoke the language used to bar former Confederates from holding federal office.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>A problem with Trump’s entire presidency has been that reporters and commentators have sought precedents in American history, but Jill thinks nothing in American history has been like this.</p><ul><li>Should we be looking to other countries, other failed democracies, for lessons?&nbsp;</li><li>How do we balance the uniqueness of Trumpism with the familiarity of the things it draws upon?</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Unlike right-movements in countries like Hungary and Turkey, the Trump project did not successfully co-opt the institutions of the state.</p><ul><li>American democracy is older than some of these other examples.</li><li>The Conservative movement over the last few decades has managed to capture many institutions, namely the courts—although this is not necessarily Trumpism.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>When Trump is out of office will it be easier for him to become a ‘martyr?’&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Conviction in an impeachment proceeding could be good for mainstream Republicans. It may also make a split in the party more likely.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Mentioned in this Episode:</p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/what-should-we-call-the-sixth-of-january\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Jill in <em>The New Yorker</em>, ‘What Should We Call the Sixth of January’</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/01/12/the-speech\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Jill on inaugural addresses for <em>The New Yorker</em></a></li><li><a href=\"https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/house-articles-of-impeachment/index.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Article of Impeachment against Trump</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/truth-reconciliation-tribunal-trump-historians/2020/10/16/84026810-0e88-11eb-b1e8-16b59b92b36d_story.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Jill in <em>The Washington Post</em> on letting history judge Trump</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2019/180-jill-lepore-on-the-american-nation\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">From our archives… Jill on the American Nation</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>And as ever, recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: </strong><a href=\"http://lrb.co.uk/talking\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>lrb.co.uk/talking</strong></a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>","author_name":"David Runciman and Catherine Carr"}