{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/9a03fe9e-1ff0-4dcc-b3f6-50bd1f016ea4/8a0dcba3-45e3-4ebb-aeb1-99bc22ca095b?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"What Does Jeremy Think?","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6195701f2eacc3a36070252a/619570bccb3c660012e3ce28.jpg?height=200","description":"<p>This week we talk to Suzanne Heywood about her <a href=\"https://harpercollins.co.uk/products/what-does-jeremy-think-jeremy-heywood-and-the-making-of-modern-britain-suzanne-heywood?variant=32560034873422\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">memoir </a>of her late husband, Cabinet Secretary Jeremy Heywood - the man who helped to run Britain for more than two decades, working with four different prime ministers.&nbsp;From Black Wednesday to Brexit, from the Blair/Brown battles to the surprising successes of the Coalition, Jeremy Heywood had a unique position at the heart of British politics.&nbsp;We discuss what he did, what he learned and what he wished had turned out differently.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Talking Points:</p><p><br></p><p>The book starts with the ERM crisis.</p><ul><li>This was the start of a story that arguably runs through Brexit.</li><li>Jeremy told David Cameron that he would need to address immigration with Europe, but he knew that this would be difficult.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Blair had a huge parliamentary majority; this meant he could do many of the things that Jeremy wanted to see done.</p><ul><li>Jeremy was positive about how much had been achieved, particularly in public services.</li><li>Progress was more difficult under Brown. The financial crisis created enormous strain.</li><li>Jeremy and Gordon Brown worked very closely together on the financial crisis.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>During political transitions, all the ‘in-flight’ initiatives pause. Any one of them may or may not land as you previously expected.</p><ul><li>As a civil servant, you also have to be able to switch your personal loyalties.</li><li>The change in style between governments can be significant. New administrations come in with a new language, a new tone.</li><li>Civil servants have to keep the show on the road, and also adapt.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>At what point do civil servants have to swallow their personal objections and get on with things?&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Ministers represent the electorate; civil servants support ministers in delivering on their promises.</li><li>Civil servants can push and make certain arguments, but once a decision is made, they have to move forward with implementation.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Jeremy’s real genius was in relationships.</p><ul><li>He inspired people; they wanted to do their best for him.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Mentioned in this Episode:</p><ul><li><a href=\"https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9780008353124?gC=5a105e8bhttps://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9780008353124?gC=5a105e8b\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><em>What Does Jeremy Think</em>? Suzanne Heywood</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Further Learning:&nbsp;</p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2019/179-talking-politics-guide-to-being-a-civil-servant\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Talking Politics Guide to … Being a Civil Servant</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/feb/14/suzanne-heywood-what-would-jeremy-think-interview-whitehall-civil-service\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">‘Remembering Jeremy Heywood,’ in <em>The Guardian</em></a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.ft.com/content/a271f583-1c66-4b71-9b4d-8c5b265f6bb1\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Bronwen Maddox reviews Suzanne’s book for the <em>FT</em></a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2018/103-the-next-referendum\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">From our archives… The Next Referendum?&nbsp;</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>And as ever, recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: </strong><a href=\"http://lrb.co.uk/talking\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>lrb.co.uk/talking</strong></a></p>","author_name":"David Runciman and Catherine Carr"}