{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/9a03fe9e-1ff0-4dcc-b3f6-50bd1f016ea4/692ce440-0e34-4257-902f-80cf383462a8?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Brexit, Trump and Aldershot FC","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6195701f2eacc3a36070252a/619570bccb3c660012e3cf32.jpg?height=200","description":"<p>This week David and Helen talk with the historian David Kynaston about his diary of the 2016-17 season in football and in politics, when a lot happened both to the world and to his beloved Aldershot FC.&nbsp;It's a conversation about loyalty, identity and belonging, and about what sorts of change we can tolerate and what we can't.&nbsp;Plus Helen reflects on her life as a West Ham fan.</p><p><br></p><p>Talking Points:</p><p><br></p><p>For David Kynaston, football is about identity.</p><ul><li>We all have our personal myths.</li><li>Continuity of space, even colours, is also important.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Football in Britain has derived a lot of meaning from the relationship between club and place.</p><ul><li>The continuity between location and fan base broke at some point in the 1990s, maybe earlier.&nbsp;</li><li>And then there are questions of ownership, management.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>For David Kynaston, football is rooted in place; politics is not.</p><ul><li>Small and medium sized towns feel ‘left behind’; these places have also been left behind in the football sense.&nbsp;</li><li>But anger about the inequalities or the premier league doesn’t have a lot of political purchase.&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p>What is the relationship between the planning period of the 50s and 60s and Brexit voters?</p><ul><li>People who lived through that maybe had reasons to distrust people telling them what was best.</li><li>There was also a coarsening of popular culture, led by Murdoch and the Sun.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Mentioned in this Episode:</p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/shots-in-the-dark-9781526623027/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">David Kynaston’s new book, Shots in the Dark</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.waterstones.com/book/a-dance-to-the-music-of-time-spring-v-1/anthony-powell/9780099436683\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Anthony Powell, A Dance to the Music of Time</a></li><li>Colin Shindler’s books on <a href=\"https://www.waterstones.com/book/manchester-united-ruined-my-life/colin-shindler/9780755363889\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Manchester United </a>and <a href=\"https://www.waterstones.com/book/manchester-city-ruined-my-life/colin-shindler/9780755363612\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Manchester City</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2016/9-president-trump\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Our post-Trump episode&nbsp;</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/307/307644/the-road-to-somewhere/9780141986975.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">David Goodhart on somewheres and anywheres</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/27/liverpool-sun-boycott-remain-vote-hillsborough-disaster-eu\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Liverpool’s vote and Sun readership</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/51618a7a-ffe2-4b4c-becf-97834025cc82\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Financial Times editorial on Trump and Portland</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Further Learning:</p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v40/n08/helen-thompson/short-cuts\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Helen on West Ham</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2020/05/whole-rotten-edifice-premier-league-has-been-exposed-coronavirus\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Helen on coronavirus and the Premier League</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>And as ever, recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: </strong><a href=\"http://lrb.co.uk/talking\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>lrb.co.uk/talking</strong></a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>","author_name":"David Runciman and Catherine Carr"}