{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/9a03fe9e-1ff0-4dcc-b3f6-50bd1f016ea4/4774f532-7644-4678-84e0-9fa122e50eb4?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Co-operation or Conflict?","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6195701f2eacc3a36070252a/619570bccb3c660012e3d01e.jpg?height=200","description":"<p>This week we try to assess whether the Covid-19 pandemic is driving the world together or pushing it further apart.&nbsp;From US-Chinarelations to tensions within the EU, we discuss how coronavirus is exacerbating existing tensions and how it might overcome them.&nbsp;Are we going to see new forms of international co-operation?&nbsp;What does it mean for globalisation?&nbsp;And is the politics of competence making a comeback?&nbsp;With Helen Thomson and Hans Kundnani from Chatham House.</p><p><br></p><p>Talking Points:</p><p><br></p><p>The crucial issue between the US and China right now is supply chains.&nbsp;</p><ul><li>A huge percentage of antibiotics used in the US involve supply chains that include China.&nbsp;</li><li>Helen thinks it’s unlikely that we will continue to live in a world in which the production of pharmaceuticals is so integrated.</li><li>Will interdependence push towards cooperation or conflict?</li><li>Two big things have changed since 2008: Trump is in the White House, and central relationships (US-China, US-Europe) have deteriorated.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>There are different degrees of globalization. There is, for example, a more moderate version, and what Dani Rodrik calls ‘hyper-globalization.’</p><ul><li>If you think of globalization as consisting of movement of goods, capital, and people, you might have different degrees in all three areas.</li><li>The thing that’s come to a sudden stop in this crisis is the movement of people.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>China does have a dollar problem. Right now, the Fed has provided swap lines to a number of states, but not the Chinese Central Bank.</p><ul><li>At the moment there’s no need for it to do so.</li><li>But this crisis may have opened up a possibility that wasn’t a possibility a month ago.</li><li>Could that then become a problem for the United States? You would need to think more about exchange rate cooperation.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Does Europe need to pick a side between the US and China?&nbsp;</p><ul><li>We were already moving in this direction already; look at the battles over 5G.</li><li>The more competition there is over supply chains, the more European countries will have to choose.</li><li>Transatlantic rifts tend to become intra-European rifts as well.</li></ul><p><br></p><p>The current crisis is an emphatic demonstration that, in the Eurozone, the coercive power of states remains the prerogative of member states.&nbsp;</p><ul><li>Different states use power differently. Orban is willing to go much further, for example.</li><li>If some EU states deal more effectively with this than others, what happens to freedom of movement?</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Mentioned in this Episode:&nbsp;</p><ul><li><a href=\"https://wwnorton.com/books/The-Globalization-Paradox/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The Globalization Paradox by Dani Rodrik</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/the-paradox-of-german-power/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Hans’ book, The Paradox of German Power</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Further Learning:</p><ul><li><a href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/01/can-a-nation-be-both-open-and-in-control-the-uk-is-about-to-find-out\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Hans’ piece for the Observer, ‘Can a nation be both open and in control? The UK is about to find out.’&nbsp;</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.ft.com/content/f6bc4950-5efe-11ea-b0ab-339c2307bcd4\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">The FT on Peter Navarro’s remarks about supply chains and bringing home manufacturing</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.talkingpoliticspodcast.com/blog/2020/228-adam-tooze-part-2\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Our most recent episode with Adam Tooze</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>And as ever recommended reading curated by our friends at the LRB can be found here: </strong><a href=\"http://lrb.co.uk/talking\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>lrb.co.uk/talking</strong></a></p>","author_name":"David Runciman and Catherine Carr"}