{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/92a301e1-443b-435f-b4e2-2e2dd1e37fc5/65ef214c43e2d6001840fe17?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"The Exit Interviews: Mark Drakeford ","description":"<p>Former Conservative deputy chairman Lee Anderson has <a href=\"https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/what-lee-anderson-defect-means-rishi-sunak-reform-uk-k363xq5tx\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">defected to Reform UK</a>, giving the party its first MP. Matt discusses the significance of the move with columnists Trevor Phillips and Libby Purves, and former minister Paul Scully.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Plus: In the latest Exit Interview, outgoing First Minister of Wales Mark Drakeford explains why he is standing down and why he had a difficult relationship with successive Tory prime ministers.</p><p><br></p><p>Lee Anderson joins Reform (03:13)</p><p>The Exit Interview (16:30) </p>","author_name":"Times Radio"}