{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/92a01f39-5872-57db-9b46-339f517199e5/6a4f044681fe1f6460ffa2b6?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Undercover ‘Agents’ vs Scammers - Dali Kaafar ","description":"<p>Scammers are a global epidemic and most of us feel powerless against them. The good news is that our guest this week has built the tech, and a company, to fight back.</p><p><br></p><p>Dali Kaafar is the founder and CEO of Apate, a counter-intelligence company that deploys conversational AI to fight scammers at scale. Dali is also a Professor of Cybersecurity at Macquarie University and the Executive Director of its Cyber Security Hub. In 2025 he was named AI Academic/Researcher of the Year at the Australian AI Awards, and has been recognised as one of The Australian's Top 100 Innovators two years running.</p><p><br></p><p>The scale of scammers is staggering: scam losses are doubling year on year. Globally, people are losing hundreds of billions of dollars annually and it's getting worse, not better.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Incredibly, when a scammer gets you on the phone, they have a one in five chance of succeeding!</p><p><br></p><p>In this fascinating conversation you'll hear:</p><p><br></p><ul><li>How Apate's undercover AI agents engage and frustrate scammer networks</li><li>The real-time intelligence Apate's agents extract directly from scammers working across phone, text and Whats App channels to name a few</li><li>How scam operations are exploding with thousands of new WhatsApp groups appearing daily in many countries, and</li><li>Why Apate has perhaps one of the most unusual KPIs we’ve ever come across.&nbsp;</li></ul><p><br></p><p>We’ve all been on the receiving end of scam attempts so, if you’re anything like us, you’ll be very glad to hear about the&nbsp;innovative ways Dali and his team are setting out to protect us.&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Enjoy this episode with the innovative and pioneering Dali Kaafar.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Useful Links</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Apate <a href=\"https://www.apate.ai/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">website</a>&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Professor Dali Kaafar on <a href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/dali-kaafar-12b5b85/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">LinkedIn</a></p>","author_name":"Claire Hatton & Greta Thomas"}