Helen and Stephen attempt to bring some calm rationality to the discussion of Brexit and \"the backstop\" — whatever that turns out to be. Then Helen talks to the American author Rebecca Solnit about reporting on Trump and her new book Call Them by Their True Names. Finally, a listener question: what's going on with universal credit?
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