An AI chief scientist, a policy strategist and a filmmaker take us upstream: who is deciding where AI goes, and does the public still get a say?
Tiberio Caetano sets the altitude: a handful of companies driving a technology outpacing even its own experts, locked in a race to the bottom. Holly Rankin refuses the powerlessness, drawing on her own win inside Parliament to argue that democracy works when real people show up. Damon Gameau reframes it as a storyteller: a tool built for extraction that could be rewired for regeneration.
They hold the enormity and the agency at once, and land somewhere unexpected. The decision was never a few people's to make. We are not swimming against the stream, we are the stream. And what we do while the window is open is ours.
Hosted by Eleanor Gammell.
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Guests
Tiberio Caetano
Chief Scientist · Professor · OECD AI Advisor
Co-founder and chief scientist of Gradient Institute, an independent non-profit working toward safe and ethical AI, and an honorary professor at the ANU. He has spent more than twenty years in machine learning as a researcher, entrepreneur and practitioner, and advises the OECD on artificial intelligence.
Holly Rankin
Policy Strategist · Advocate · Artist
A recording artist, known as Jack River, and a cultural and political strategist who co-founded Sentiment, an agency built to close the gap between politics and pop culture. Her advocacy has reached the floor of Parliament on many issues, and helped push the government to protect Australian creators’ work from being mined to train AI.
Damon Gameau
Film Director · Producer · Author
An award-winning filmmaker, author and co-founder of Regen Studios, known for the documentaries 2040 and Future Council. His work imagines the futures we could choose and turns them into films, books and campaigns built to move people to act.
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