{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/68e695c6d798804c9e4bbd13/6acfe7350c6b30397b17da6d?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"S3E5 How To Interrogate A Monster: Saddam Hussein","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/68e695c6d798804c9e4bbd13/1792351740243-48343030-3ae1-44e1-a188-f4c13ead69a9.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>IN THIS EPISODE In the previous two Spy Academy episodes, we talked about liars and how to spot them. Now it&#39;s time to put all that knowledge to good use as we deep dive into interrogating a true psychopath, the former leader of Iraq Saddam Hussein. While it would be easy to see Saddam as an unsophisticated bumpkin, it also would be a profound mistake. Saddam may have struggled to understand American motives and actions in the lead up to the American invasion of Iraq, but he understood his corner of the world as well as if not better than anyone. As he stared across the table at his interrogator, Saddam believed he was the host and that the Americans were his guests. In fact, Saddam was so cagey that he managed to interrogate his interrogators even as they were interrogating him. This episode&#39;s guest, former intelligence officer John Nixon, had studied Saddam, for years; getting the chance to interrogate the man himself, truly a monster metaphorically speaking, was not just a career-defining moment, it was a personal triumph.</p><p><br></p><p><u>SHOW NOTES</u></p><p>If you enjoyed this podcast, please sample the rest of our podcast lineup at <a href=\"costardandtouchstone.com\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Costard &amp; Touchstone Productions</a>. Your next podcast obsession is just a click away! </p>","author_name":"John Kiriakou & Alan Katz"}