{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/68e695c6d798804c9e4bbd13/695ad02c18c941d6d66b194c?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"S1E11 Have Human Spies Become Obsolete?","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/68e695c6d798804c9e4bbd13/1767558555575-cd4a5d12-1c08-4442-9b5e-78155de04ccc.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>THE BLURB: In this episode, John chats with former CIA officer turned wildly successful novelist BARRY EISLER about spying and how it lends itself to storytelling. After a three year stint as a covert officer in the CIA’s Directorate of Operations, Barry worked as a technology lawyer and startup executive in Silicon Valley and Japan, earned a black belt at the Kodokan Judo Institute and began writing great, award-winning thrillers including the #1 bestsellers Livia Lone, The Night Trade, and The Killer Collective. John and Barry discuss the current state of spies, spying and spycraft - and whether it might be over for straight humint and the human spies who cultivate it.</p><p><br></p><p><u>SHOW NOTES</u></p><p>For more information about Barry Eisler, please visit <a href=\"https://barryeisler.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">barryeisler.com</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>For more great podcasts like Dead Drop, please visit <a href=\"https://costardandtouchstone.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://costardandtouchstone.com/</a></p>","author_name":"John Kiriakou & Alan Katz"}