After our main chat about addiction and the difference between fast, spiky dopamine and the slower, steadier kind, Catherine returns to share the three things that genuinely keep her grounded. We dig into what “slow dopamine” actually feels like in real life – the kind of calm, long-lasting reward you don’t regret the next morning – and Catherine talks me through the simple daily habits that help her get there. We cover movement, mindset and even what you put on your body, and why all of it matters if you’re trying not to be at the mercy of your moods. If your brain tends to wake up shouting “the end is nigh” and you’re craving more ease, this conversation is for you.
BOOKS DISCUSSED IN THIS EPISODE
Catherine’s new book, Little Addictions, is available to buy from the 29th January 2026.
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CREDITS:
Host: Bryony Gordon
Guest: Catherine Gray
Producer: Laura Elwood-Craig
Assistant Producer: Tippi Willard
Studio Manager: Sam Chisholm
Editor: Luke Shelley
Exec Producer: Jamie East
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