In this opening episode of Chapter Next, Jason Tonelli sits down with Zoë Coyle — founder of Pilot Light, leadership facilitator, and one of only 400 people worldwide personally trained by Brené Brown. Together they tackle the big question: what happens to our identity when work is taken away?
From shame and disconnection to resilience and growth, Zoë explains how to recognise the “shame storm” that often follows redundancy — and how to move beyond it. With practical tools and personal insights, this conversation reframes redundancy not as an ending, but as the beginning of something new.
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