{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/683590a7944c948b9a45702e/69c5cee59b6be94a1ab39557?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Tim Shipman, Ben Clerkin, Maxwell Marlow & Hermione Eyre","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/683590a7944c948b9a45702e/1774571220784-b7b4af5e-477d-4bf9-85b2-572d19b2bab3.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>On this week’s&nbsp;<em>Spectator Out Loud</em>: looking back to 1973, Tim Shipman wonders how bad the energy crisis could get;&nbsp;Ben Clerkin interviews Steve Hilton, the former Cameron aide running to be California’s next&nbsp;governor; Maxwell Marlow explains how to solve the student debt crisis; and finally, ‘disorientatingly enjoyable’ is the verdict of Hermione Eyre as she reviews David Hockney at the Serpentine.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Produced and presented by Patrick Gibbons.</p>","author_name":"Spectator Out Loud"}