{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/6825a844b1b74cbbae73d5a8/69f21135c5dd1a1717e22394?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Why America needs NATO","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6825a844b1b74cbbae73d5a8/1777481869484-edc9d1dd-e062-44e9-90c5-a86d6b877fc9.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p><br></p><p>General Christopher Cavoli was NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) until July 2025. He was responsible for the defence and security of 981 million people across 32 countries. Ooph. </p><p><br></p><p>While on a flying visit to London, he dropped into the General and the Journalist studio to see his old friend Patrick and get grilled by Tom on the UK's parlous defence expenditure.</p><p><br></p><p>But, mostly, he was here to talk about NATO and why, as a proud and patriotic American, he sees the Alliance as critical to America's own defence and security. </p><p><br></p><p>Hosts: General Sir Patrick Sanders and Tom Newton Dunn</p><p>Guest: General Christopher Cavoli</p><p>Producer: Shabnam Grewal</p><p>Executive producer: Fiona Leach</p><p>Image: Getty</p><p>Clips: Fox news</p><p><br></p><p>Get in touch: generalandjournalist@thetimes.co.uk</p>","author_name":"The Times"}