{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/6825a844b1b74cbbae73d5a8/693048f58f1b8d099525e425?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"On the frontline of Nato's cyber war with Russia","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6825a844b1b74cbbae73d5a8/1764776871532-8587b3c1-17cc-4b1b-b9f0-c4f4b51ad316.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Cyber warfare is played out in the&nbsp;shadows, never declared and never attributed. But, as the General in charge of Nato's cyber operations tells Tom, the west is fighting what amounts to a war on a daily basis. Patrick agrees, recalling his time as Commander of UK Cyber operations, an experience he likens&nbsp;to living under a 'digital Blitz.'&nbsp;</p><p><br></p><p>Host: General Sir Patrick Sanders &amp; Tom Newton Dunn</p><p>Guest: Turkish Brigadier General Ümit Ersoy</p><p>Photo: NATO&nbsp;</p><p>Get in touch: generalandjournalist@thetimes.co.uk</p>","author_name":"The Times"}