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Frances Bilbao founded Mums Matter Psychology when her oldest child was just three months old, and now, alongside raising three children her  practice has grown into a social enterprise supporting more than 4,000 families each year with over 120 clinicians nationwide. So, as you might’ve guessed, she’s learned a lot of what parents need. And I love hearing from parents that are also psychologists, because they just get it, from both the professional and personal point of view.

Here, we hear all about building her business alongside raising children, why we need to take sleep deprivation more seriously (which if you’ve listened to this show for a while, you’ll know is a hill I’d die on), how society is letting down families and why we need to stop gaslighting mums into thinking the struggle comes from within them. 

This episode is a warm hug, and while you’ll still hear Loz and I chat each week, this is the perfect way to finish off our interviews for 2025 before our schedule changes a little next year. But more on that in the new year. For now, let’s hear from Frances. 

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