{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/671711d6e16fb75ed53321e9/695c255ce1903ce94a3dfa03?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Why Tech Moats Are Dying in AI — and What Actually Scales Instead - In Conversation with Priya Saiprasad, GP at TC","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/671711d6e16fb75ed53321e9/1767646530738-5d23bb2c-a28b-4812-b379-b4a67bcb2fa9.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Guest: Priya Saiprasad — Co-Founder &amp; General Partner, Touring Capital</p><p>Host: Peeyush Upadhyay — Managing Partner, Pekamiar</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode of The Scale Up Flight, Peeyush Upadhyay sits down with Priya Saiprasad, Co-Founder and General Partner at Touring Capital, a $330M early-growth fund backing SaaS and AI companies.</p><p><br></p><p>Priya shares how her global upbringing—having lived in 12 countries by age 12—shaped her resilience, adaptability, and founder-first investing philosophy. Drawing from her experience at Square, Microsoft M12, Mayfield, and SoftBank Vision Fund, she unpacks what truly drives scale in today’s AI-powered economy.</p><p><br></p><p>The conversation goes deep into what venture investors underestimate, why technology moats are eroding, and how capital efficiency, talent, and go-to-market defensibility are becoming the real differentiators. Priya also offers candid advice for founders on choosing the right investors, navigating board dynamics, making tough people decisions, and building companies that compound over time—not just ride hype cycles.</p><p><br></p><p>This episode is a must-listen for SaaS and AI founders, operators, and investors navigating the Series B/C transition in an increasingly volatile market.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Chapters with TimeStamps</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">00:00</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=135s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">02:15</a></p><p>Introduction: Highlights &amp; Welcoming Priya Saiprasad</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=136s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">02:16</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=370s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">06:10</a></p><p>Why diversity in VC is essential to finding true alpha</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=371s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">06:11</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=595s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">09:55</a></p><p>The M12 female founders initiative &amp; uncovering overlooked founder talent</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=596s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">09:56</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=835s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">13:55</a></p><p>How a global childhood shaped resilience, adaptability, and founder empathy</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=836s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">13:56</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=1110s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">18:30</a></p><p>Why the founder journey is inherently nonlinear—and deeply lonely</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=1111s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">18:31</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=1360s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">22:40</a></p><p>Square, Jack Dorsey, and the power of true meritocracy</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=1361s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">22:41</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=1600s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">26:40</a></p><p>A painful early investing lesson: product strength vs. “why now” markets</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=1601s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">26:41</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=1900s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">31:40</a></p><p>Contrarian investing, herd mentality, and resisting FOMO in hot markets</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=1901s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">31:41</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2120s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">35:20</a></p><p>Why “tech as a moat” is eroding in the AI era</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2121s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">35:21</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2390s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">39:50</a></p><p>Capital efficiency vs. growth at all costs (and the Zoom example)</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2391s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">39:51</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2610s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">43:30</a></p><p>Where AI investing is overcrowded—and where real opportunity lies</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2611s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">43:31</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2830s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">47:10</a></p><p>What Priya looks for in a 30-minute founder pitch</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2831s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">47:11</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2995s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">49:55</a></p><p>How founders should diligence investors (beyond the size of the check)</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=2996s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">49:56</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=3160s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">52:40</a></p><p>Why most scale-up failures ultimately come down to talent decisions</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=3161s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">52:41</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=3350s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">55:50</a></p><p>The VC as confidant: trust, vulnerability, and founder peer networks</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=3351s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">55:51</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=3570s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">59:30</a></p><p>How Priya competes, takes risks, and shows conviction</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=3571s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">59:31</a> – <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZiwa9y56y4&amp;list=PLsPRTY7QCceSafItNGb43FI0z33l9OAw_&amp;index=1&amp;t=3720s\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">01:02:00</a></p><p>Advice for leaders in the AI era: GTM, pricing, and staying relevant</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Key Takeaways</p><p><br></p><p>Alpha isn’t obvious upfront — finding it requires looking beyond familiar networks and consensus thinking.</p><p><br></p><p>Diversity in decision-makers leads to better outcomes for both venture portfolios and founders.</p><p><br></p><p>The founder journey is a zigzag, requiring resilience, adaptability, and constant reinvention.</p><p><br></p><p>Technology as a moat is diminishing in the AI era; defensibility now comes from GTM, data, distribution, and product virality.</p><p><br></p><p>Capital efficiency matters more than headline valuation — valuation isn’t money in pocket until exit.</p><p><br></p><p>Restraint is harder than deploying capital, especially in hot markets driven by FOMO.</p><p><br></p><p>Great founders are intellectually curious, humble, and maniacally focused, not know-it-alls.</p><p><br></p><p>Founders must diligence VCs on how they behave during downturns—not just when things go well.</p><p><br></p><p>Everything ultimately boils down to talent — hiring, upgrading, and making tough people decisions at the right time.</p><p><br></p><p>In AI, speed and relevance matter — pricing, packaging, and continuous innovation are critical to long-term retention.</p>","author_name":"Peeyush Upadhyay"}