{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/6683eb5ce091a56d49596947/686db48a8d3d6839f4c405e8?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Is CLM Dead? Rebuilding Legal Infrastructure in the Agentic AI Era With Simon McCarthy","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6683eb5ce091a56d49596947/1752020073449-3837afa7-2cb4-4a87-8fc5-fef175adc4cd.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>On this episode of <em>The Vertical SaaS Podcast</em>, <strong>host Gavin Savage</strong> sits down with <strong>Simon McCarthy</strong>, VP of Enterprise Transformation at ContractPod AI, to unpack what’s broken in Contract Lifecycle Management and what’s coming next.</p><p><br></p><p>With over <strong>150 CLM implementations</strong> under his belt, Simon shares a brutally honest take on why most platforms fail, the myths around CLM as a “legal” tool, and how AI is reshaping the contract stack. From <strong>post-signature ROI</strong> to the rise of <strong>agentic contracting</strong>, he offers sharp insights into where legal tech is headed and how operators can actually get it right.</p><p><br></p><p>We explore:</p><ul><li>Why <strong>half of CLM projects fail </strong>and how to avoid becoming a cautionary tale</li><li>The true <strong>cost of doing nothing</strong> in contract management</li><li>What makes vertical SaaS <strong>fragile</strong> in the era of AI</li><li>Whether “intelligent contracting” is just rebranding or something deeper</li><li>The <strong>line between tools and platforms</strong>, and how AI could redraw it</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Whether you’re scaling a legaltech product or rethinking your enterprise contract stack, this one’s packed with hard truths, practical wisdom, and a hopeful look forward.</p><h3><br></h3><h3>Key Takeaways:</h3><ul><li>Simon has led 150+ CLM rollouts across major enterprises</li><li><strong>Change management</strong>, not tech, is the CLM killer</li><li>CLM is a <strong>cross-functional platform</strong>, not just for legal</li><li>Bad implementations can cost <strong>millions in sunk value</strong></li><li><strong>AI + agentic tools</strong> are transforming the CLM stack</li><li>Real value lies <strong>after the signature, </strong>in tracking, obligations, and outcomes</li><li>Adoption hinges on <strong>integration and user behavior</strong>, not features</li><li>The future is <strong>modular, intelligent, and AI-native</strong></li></ul><p><br></p>","author_name":"Gavin Savage"}