{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/6662a3996944b00012812269/686c03708d2a216e1226ab9f?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"How to have a nuanced conversation | A conversation with Drew Perkins","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6662a3996944b00012812269/1751909121828-9979acb9-ef5d-43b1-b308-745902eb5c61.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>In this episode, Shane sits down with Drew Perkins, President Director of ThoughtStretcher Education and host of the ThoughtStretchers Education Podcast. Drew brings a refreshing perspective on how we can navigate the often polarised world of education discourse, from the direct instruction versus inquiry debate to the broader challenge of maintaining nuanced thinking in our schools.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Drew shares his approach to engaging in online education conversations with curiosity rather than certainty, and explains his concept of \"reality-based communities\" grounded in what he calls enlightenment liberal principles. Whether you're a school leader trying to cut through the noise or an educator looking to model better dialogue, this conversation offers practical wisdom for staying grounded whilst remaining open to learning.</p><p><br></p><h2>Resources Mentioned</h2><ul><li><a href=\"https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-thoughtstretchers-education-podcast/id1052524546\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>ThoughtStretchers Education Podcast</strong></a> - Drew's weekly education podcast</li><li><a href=\"https://wegrowteachers.com/thoughtstretchers-podcast-knowledge-deep-thinking/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Paul Kirschner Panel Discussion: \"The Knowledge Revival, Curriculum For Deep Thinking\"</strong></a> - Recent episode exploring direct instruction vs inquiry learning</li><li><a href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Kindly-Inquisitors-Attacks-Thought-Expanded/dp/022614593X\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Jonathan Rauch's \"Kindly Inquisitors\"</strong></a> - Book on knowledge and free speech</li><li><a href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch/dp/0815738862\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Jonathan Rauch's \"The Constitution of Knowledge\"</strong></a> - Exploring how we determine truth in modern society</li><li><a href=\"https://wegrowteachers.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>ThoughtStretcher Education</strong></a> - Drew's organisation website</li><li><a href=\"https://thoughtstretchers.org/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>ThoughtStretchers Community</strong></a> - Educational discussion community</li></ul><p>&nbsp;</p><h2><strong>Episode Partner</strong></h2><p><strong>The International Curriculum Association:</strong> <strong> </strong><a href=\"https://internationalcurriculum.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Learn more</strong></a></p>","author_name":"Shane Leaning | School Leadership & Organisational Development Coach"}