In this episode, I'm talking with Marcelo Moura, a dual-qualified associate in Mishcon de Reya’s Commercial Litigation team, co-founder of AI2L, and UK Ambassador of the Brazilian Legal Tech Association (AB2L). He has worked in law since 2005 and has been involved in AI, innovation, and legal-tech initiatives since 2017.
We compare Brazil’s high-volume, increasingly digitised courts with the UK’s legal system and explore how different rules shape legal technology. Marcelo also shares why he once feared AI would replace lawyers, how to use LLMs without outsourcing human judgment, and what thoughtful AI adoption means for law firms, lawyers, and students.
Chapters
00:00 Meet Marcelo Moura and explore Brazil’s legal-tech story
02:42 Why Marcelo calls Brazil “the largest legal-tech laboratory in the world”
05:15 The Newsletter
05:32 Paperless courts and how legal systems shape legal technology
08:26 Brazil’s legal-tech market: predictive analytics and online dispute resolution
14:06 The risks of automating court filings and the limits of court efficiency
16:05 Why so many Brazilian consumer disputes become individual cases
19:44 Brazil’s legal market and untapped business potential
21:40 Why legal-tech markets should learn from each other
28:13 Automation and the value of bespoke legal work
33:17 How fear of AI shaped Marcelo’s career and led him to speak up
36:06 How AI became part of everyday legal practice
37:26 Will AI mean fewer lawyers, and how can lawyers prepare?
40:18 AI in legal education and the value of learning by doing
42:21 What a law firm’s AI strategy needs to consider
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