{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/6629115d6b51e80012e3a9ed/67bccaceb628e470d310bc67?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"#18 Aubrey de Grey | The Big 2025 Interview","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/6629115d6b51e80012e3a9ed/1740426167600-70a5d4d2-ee31-40ef-a25d-023401f606da.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>In this in-depth conversation, Dr. Aubrey de Grey discusses his Robust Mouse Rejuvenation (RMR) studies at the LEV Foundation and why he believes we're close to achieving the crucial RMR milestone within just three years - a breakthrough that could transform aging research forever.</p><p><br></p><p>You'll also hear about:</p><p>His predictions for reaching Longevity Escape Velocity by the late 2030s</p><p>What he would change about Bryan Johnson's longevity algorithm</p><p>How reaching RMR could trigger a global \"war on aging\"</p><p>Why AI won't solve aging without proper experimental data</p><p>How Demis Hassabis is the smartest person Aubrey's ever met</p><p>His involvement in designing the XPRIZE Healthspan competition</p><p>His rebuttal to Mark Hamalainen's \"replacement strategy\" approach</p><p>The divide-and-conquer approach to aging and why it's superior</p><p><br></p><p>🚀 Show notes for this episode will be available soon after this airs. Sign up for the LEVITY newsletter to get them straight to your inbox: https://peterottsjo.beehiiv.com/</p><p><br></p><p>-- CHAPTERS --</p><p>00:00 Introduction and Welcome</p><p>03:15 The Background to LEV Foundation and the Robust Mouse Rejuvenation Studies</p><p>12:05 The Robust Mouse Rejuvenation Studies</p><p>18:10 Latest Results from the Mouse Rejuvenation Experiments</p><p>25:42 Reaching RMR soon and LEV in 12-15 years</p><p>33:47 Healthspanners in public - lifespanners in private?</p><p>37:03 The Replacement Strategy Debate with Mark Hamalainen</p><p>45:40 The Very, Very Difficult Challenge of Gradually Replacing the Brain</p><p>54:46 Advanced bioengineering</p><p>57:34 The Debate with Peter Fedichev</p><p>01:11:57 Understanding Aging from an Evolutionary Perspective</p><p>01:17:05 Artificial Intelligence and Longevity Research</p><p>01:26:42 Is believing in AI hopium?</p><p>1:28:27 Aubrey’s Involvement in the XPRIZE Healthspan Competition</p><p>1:38:56 Special Economic Zones and Regulatory Challenges</p><p>1:47:27 What Aubrey would do with Bryan Johnson’s algorithm</p><p>1:50:49 What Excites Aubrey Most About the Future</p><p>1:51:57 Book Recommendations and Closing Thoughts</p>","author_name":"Peter Ottsjö"}