Our guest today is Momar Ndiaye, assistant professor of dance at Ohio State University (OSU) and a celebrated choreographer. Momar’s work in African dance and contemporary dance is internationally recognized, and he’s toured across the U.S. and abroad. In our conversation, we view migration through the lens of dance and recognize it as an embodied experience. To interview Momar, Eleanor is joined by Amy Shuman, professor emerita at OSU. Her formative work in narrative studies includes books, articles, and collaborations on human rights and political asylum. Momar, Amy, and Eleanor talk broadly about human rights and migration in postcolonial contexts, ideas of how human rights operate and fail, and what that has to do with the crossing of borders.