In this conversation, Carol Murdoch speaks with Dr. Gemma Goldenberg about the significance of outdoor learning in education, particularly in urban settings. They discuss the benefits of outdoor learning for children's development, the challenges teachers face in implementing it, and the importance of play in fostering creativity and self-regulation. Gemma shares her research findings, personal anecdotes, and insights into how the environment affects children's behavior and learning. The conversation emphasises the need for diverse perspectives in education and the value of outdoor experiences for all children.