{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/65dca498fe0966001661def9/68348b4c57d2ddc0dbd9b493?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Petra Oldengarm (CVN): “Digital Sovereignty Starts With Smart Dependence, Not Full Independence”","description":"<p>In this episode of re:invent security, we sit down with Petra Oldengarm, Director of Cyberveilig Nederland (CVN), to explore the real meaning of digital sovereignty—and why it’s more than just a political slogan. Petra takes us deep into the practical challenges and strategic decisions that come with reducing digital dependencies. From procurement strategies and fallback systems to encryption standards and talent development, this conversation unpacks what sovereignty can look like—without chasing unrealistic dreams of full independence. We also tackle the CISO’s role in influencing vendor choices, the myth of total control, and how European regulation (like NIS2) might help—but won’t solve everything. Whether you're in the public sector, critical infrastructure, or private enterprise, this episode is a must-listen for security leaders trying to navigate geopolitical complexity without losing sight of operational</p><p><br></p><p>Chapters:</p><p>00:00 - 1:44 - Teasers</p><p>1:45 - 4:44 - Introduction of the episode and Petra Oldengarm</p><p>04:45 - 08:03 - Reinventing security with private public collaboration (project Melissa)</p><p>08:04 - 09:43 - What are the biggest challenges that security leaders have regarding Digital</p><p>Sovereignty?</p><p>09:44 - 10:43 - Outsourcing is a strategic choice increasing dependencies</p><p>10:44 - 12:40- How can security leaders influence outsourcing decisions?</p><p>12:41 - 15:01 - Diversifying the vendor landscape is nog a security problem but a board problem</p><p>15:02 - 18:40 - Waiting for a European solution is not a strategy</p><p>18:41 - 21:15 - European legislation to improve digital autonomy</p><p>21:16 - 25:50 - European alternatives requires a broad long term governmental strategy</p><p>25:51 - 27:30 - Strategies to increase your sovereignty today</p><p>27:31 - 31:50 - Decreased risk is your Return on Investment</p><p>31:51 - 36:57 - What is the role of the government and the European Union to make sure leaders</p><p>diversify?</p><p>36:58 - 38:00 - You need to shift business continuity to the left</p><p>38:01 - 42:36 - Encryption is part of the solution</p><p>40:52 - 45:51 - What legislation is in the pipeline? (Omwille van de lengte mag deze er uit)</p><p>42:37 - 46:20 - Addressing the talent gap is a make or break for digital sovereignty?</p><p>46:21 - 49:40 - Petra’s advice: where do leaders start?</p><p>49:41 - 55:20 - Wrapping Up + Key take aways</p><p><br></p><p>Resources &amp; Mentions:</p><p>Position Paper Cyberveilig Nederland on Digital Sovereignty: https://cyberveilignederland.nl/upload/userfiles/images/news/Position%20paper%20CVNL%20t_b_v_%20rondetafelgesprek%20Digitale%20soevereiniteit%20bij%20de%20Rijksoverheid%20d_d_%2013%20februari%202025%20(1).pdf</p><p><br></p><p>Article in the FD about dependencies in our digital autonomy: https://fd.nl/tech-en-innovatie/1549612/datacenters-worden-steeds-groter-maar-de-financiering-groeit-niet-mee</p><p><br></p><p>Connect with Petra: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petraoldengarm/</p><p><br></p><p>Subscribe to this channel to find all new episodes:</p><p>https://youtube.com/@reinventsecurity?feature=shared</p><p><br></p><p>Listen on:</p><p>Spotify: https://ap.lc/SzTrY</p><p>Apple Podcasts: https://ap.lc/HmXhf</p><p><br></p><p>FOLLOW ►</p><p>Jeroen Prinse</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jprinse/</p><p><br></p><p>Irfaan Santoe:</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/irfaansantoe/</p>","author_name":"Jeroen Prinse / Irfaan Santoe"}