Welcome to the This Is The North Podcast, your source of transformative conversations. An intentional challenge to the systems holding back the North of England. Hosted by Alison Dunn MBE, an award-winning charity chief executive and former solicitor. This podcast is supported by the Society Matters Foundation and is dedicated to curating and sharing knowledge, powering the change we need for a more equal and inclusive society.
In this episode, Alison is joined by Bianca Robinson, leader of CEO Sleepout UK, the charity that asks business leaders to spend a night outdoors to raise money and attention for the frontline organisations tackling homelessness in their own towns and cities. Bianca has slept out more than a hundred times herself, and she has been saying the same thing for nine years: we blame society, but we are society.
The conversation starts with a number that reframes the whole subject. Rough sleeping is the visible edge of homelessness, and it is a small part of it. Around 385,000 people in the UK are homeless, enough to fill Wembley Stadium four and a half times over, and 175,000 of them are children. Most are in temporary accommodation, on sofas, or in places that are unsafe, and they never appear in a doorway or a headline.
New Prime Minister Andy Burnham has pledged to end rough sleeping. Bianca is optimistic, and she is clear about the conditions. It is achievable if Housing First is delivered at scale: a permanent home first, wraparound support for people whose needs are complex, and the agencies around them working together rather than in sequence. She points to Greater Manchester, where Housing First achieved an 85 per cent retention rate, moved 466 people into sustainable accommodation and expanded to more than 600 places, and where regional collaboration made the difference. Finland offers the longer-run evidence that the model holds.
Then the barriers, and this is where the conversation turns on the rest of us. There are not enough homes. Council housing has not been replenished for decades. New building runs into NIMBYism and the uncomfortable question of the green belt. Properties sit empty or are held by investors, and the funding conversation now includes serious voices calling for a wealth tax. Alison and Bianca work through each of these without pretending any of them is simple, or that the answer belongs to someone else's postcode.
Bianca also explains where homelessness actually begins, and where it can be stopped earlier: rent arrears, domestic abuse, release from prison, young people leaving care, the asylum process, mental health and addiction. She takes on the stereotypes about who ends up on the street, the myths about asylum seekers, and the role of trauma in addiction, and describes how CEO Sleepout turns a single night into sustained funding for the people doing the work on the ground.
Timestamps:
00:00 Homelessness is much bigger than rough sleeping
01:03 The Prime Minister's pledge, and why Bianca is hopeful
02:46 What Housing First actually means
05:59 The 382,000 people you never see
12:19 Empty homes, investors and the tax question
15:34 Why council housing has to come back
17:52 Finland and Manchester show it works
20:05 What CEO Sleepout does with a night outdoors
25:00 Changing who we think homeless people are
29:12 Prevention, and the myths
34:31 Angela Rayner and the politics of housing
36:36 Closing thoughts
Ending rough sleeping has been promised before. The difference this time, in Bianca's telling, is that the evidence already exists, some of it in Greater Manchester, about what works. What remains is the decision to build the homes, fund the support, and get the agencies in a room together. None of that is beyond the North, and none of it is someone else's problem.
Host: Alison Dunn
Guest: Bianca Robinson
This podcast is produced by Purpose Made.
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