{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/656ee493f95cc60012925da6/686bacfdadc6a61ba8cf2135?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"#016 Psychotherapist on mental health, creativity, and whether geniuses are all mad: Denise Devenish","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/656ee493f95cc60012925da6/1751886664858-4fe81466-68ef-4aec-afa3-ed1330faa416.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Music Not Diving is supported by AC55ID... head over to <a href=\"https://open.acast.com/networks/656ee40ef95cc60012922e59/shows/656ee493f95cc60012925da6/episodes/www.ac55id.com\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">www.ac55id.com</a> to check out the fastest growing electronic music marketplace,&nbsp;a central hub for music discovery, streaming and purchasing!</p><p><br></p><p>And for artists and labels... use the code Scuba6 for six months free use of the platform!!</p><p>--</p><p>Watch the full video version of this episode over at <a href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@WeNotDiving\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">youtube.com/@WeNotDiving</a></p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.denisedevenishcounselling.co.uk/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Denise Devenish</a> is a psychotherapist who specialises in treating musicians, offering a specialist service for those working in music and the creative industries.</p><p><br></p><p>She describes herself as having grown up \"in a family steeped in the music business and having been surrounded by musicians and industry folk my&nbsp;whole life\" and having \"witnessed first hand the unique highs and lows that working in the industry entails.\"</p><p><br></p><p>So of course this is an interesting person to talk to!</p><p><br></p><p>We discuss the extent of the mental health crisis in the creative industries (as well as the wider economy), the differences in the younger generation and their attitudes to drug and alcohol, the \"art comes from pain\" and \"genius requires madness\" tropes, and the changes that digital music has brought to participants in the industry.</p><p><br></p><p>The book we refer to is <a href=\"https://library.oapen.org/handle/20.500.12657/42591\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Can Music Make You Sick?</a> by <a href=\"https://www.sallyannegross.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Sally Anne Gross</a> and <a href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Musgrave_(academic)\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">George Musgrave</a> (aka Context). A key input into that is <a href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodi_Dean\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Jodi Dean</a>'s <a href=\"https://commonconf.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/proofs-of-tech-fetish.pdf\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Communucative Capitalism</a> (2005), which I also recommend.</p><p><br></p><p>This a really interesting discussion of some pertinent issues!</p><p><br></p><p>--</p><p>If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show <a href=\"https://patreon.com/scubaofficial\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">on Patreon!</a> There are two tiers - \"Solidarity\" for $4 a month, which features the show without ads, regular bonus podcasts, and extra content. And \"Musicality\" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else.</p><p><br></p><p>You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to <a href=\"https://scubaofficial.io/support/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">scubaofficial.io/support</a>.</p><p><br></p><p>Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the <a href=\"https://discord.com/invite/98423K8gap\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Hotflush Discord Server</a>... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.</p><p><br></p><p>Listen to the music discussed on the show via the <a href=\"https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6gs2nOUls8kP3UmMVPWhL3?si=00ba0908e4c14c4f\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist</a></p><p><br></p><p>Chapters:</p><p>00:00 Intro and how you can support the show</p><p>03:39 Who is Denise Devenish?</p><p>07:45 Mental health challenges in creative industries</p><p>13:30 The realities of creative work</p><p>20:40 Suffering for your art</p><p>27:30 On-stage characters</p><p>30:50 Challenges of different levels of success</p><p>36:10 Metrics of value in digital music</p><p>43:30 Are young people really drinking less?</p><p>50:00 What are the treatment options?</p><p>01:07:00 Early experiences</p>","author_name":"Scuba"}