{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/655b38214c0cfb0012a0f672/6af460780f31499d91a8d494?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Owning and Protecting Your Voice, with BAFTA award winning actor, Cissy Jones","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/655b38214c0cfb0012a0f672/1794400356018-a6540d9e-7c34-48da-9c50-4984f9b9dd04.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>What if voice actors built the AI themselves?</p><p>Cissy Jones is a BAFTAn award-winning voice actor whose credits include <em>Firewatch</em>, <em>The Walking Dead</em>, <em>Fallout 4</em>, <em>Starfield</em>, <em>Life Is Strange</em>, <em>Halo 5</em> and <em>The Owl House</em>. She is also co-founder and CEO of Ethovox, a US voice AI company owned and run by voice actors. In this episode Cissy describes how her voice was cloned without her permission during Covid. That led her to help organise the industry through NAVA (the National Association of Voice Actors), and then to build Ethovox as a consent-led alternative to open marketplaces.</p><p>Cissy explains how the Ethovox model works: contracted permission, custom recording, intensive mastering, no marketplace (so exclusivity is protected), actor approval for every use, and compensation. Cissy sets out what performers should check before licensing their voice and points to NAVA’s 13-question guidance and free AI contract rider. She also talks about the limits of “in perpetuity” clauses and argues that AI can’t replace human performance, though it can help with things like scratch work and high-volume, multilingual reads. Cissy also stresses the need for regulation.</p><p><strong>What we cover</strong></p><ul><li>How unauthorised cloning of Cissy’s voice during Covid led to NAVA’s organising work and then to Ethovox</li><li>From Silicon Valley to the vocal booth, and the early roles that launched her career</li><li>What makes Ethovox different: consent, custom recording, mastering, no marketplace, approval for every use, and pay</li><li>The questions to ask before you license your voice, including NAVA’s 13 questions and free AI rider</li><li>Buyouts, AI rights and why “in perpetuity” clauses have limits</li><li>The SAG-AFTRA agreement and plans for a fully licensed, traceable dataset with bonus payments</li><li>Protected direct licensing, and the challenges of expanding into the UK</li><li>Where AI can support human performers, why it can’t replace them, and why regulation matters</li></ul><p><strong>Chapters</strong></p><p>00:00 Season Four Kickoff</p><p>00:44 Meet Cissy Jones</p><p>01:48 From Silicon Valley</p><p>02:58 Early Roles Breakthrough</p><p>04:20 Why Ethovox Started</p><p>07:49 Building the Team</p><p>08:31 What Makes It Different</p><p>10:42 Questions Before Licensing</p><p>13:07 BRAVA Sponsor Break</p><p>14:09 Buyouts and AI Rights</p><p>16:02 Pay and Performance Limits</p><p>17:25 SAG-AFTRA Agreement</p><p>18:31 Protected Direct Licensing</p><p>19:17 UK Expansion Challenges</p><p>20:33 Future of Human Voice</p><p>22:43 Wrap Up and Next Episode</p><p><br></p><p><a href=\"https://www.brava.uk.com/post/ai-voice-licensing-protect-your-voice\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Explore the companion notes here...</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Links &amp; Resources</strong></p><p><em>Cissy Jones and Ethovox</em></p><ul><li>Cissy Jones:</li><li><a href=\"https://www.cissyjones.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Cissy Jones</a></li><li>Instagram: @‌cissyspeaks</li><li>Ethovox: <a href=\"https://www.ethovox.ai/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.ethovox.ai</a></li></ul><p><em>NAVA (National Association of Voice Actors, US)</em></p><ul><li>NAVA’s AI questions to ask before you take a job: <a href=\"https://navavoices.org/ai-questions/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">AI QUESTIONS - NAVA</a></li><li>NAVA Synthetic Voice/AI Rider (free download): <a href=\"https://navavoices.org/ai-rider\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">AI Rider - NAVA</a></li></ul><p><em>UK</em></p><ul><li>Equity AI toolkit and template contract: <a href=\"https://www.equity.org.uk/advice-and-support/know-your-rights/ai-toolkit/understanding-ai\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Understanding AI | Equity</a> (see also Episode 2, <em>Cloned Without Consent</em>, with voice actor Faye Dicker and Equity’s Shannon Sailing: <a href=\"https://www.brava.uk.com/podcast/episode/1bb455dd/cloned-without-consent-with-voice-actor-faye-dicker-and-equitys-shannon-sailing\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Podcast | BRAVA</a> )</li><li><em>Previous episode</em></li><li>Episode 5, <em>AI &amp; The Audiobook Pipeline</em>, with Dan Jones, former Head of Audio Services at Hachette UK: <a href=\"https://www.brava.uk.com/podcast/episode/21f3bab0/ai-and-the-audiobook-pipeline-with-dan-jones\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Podcast | BRAVA</a></li><li><em>BRAVA</em></li><li><a href=\"https://www.brava.uk.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">BRAVA - Voice Acting Training</a></li><li><a href=\"https://www.brava.uk.com/subscribe\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Sign up </a>to the BRAVA newsletter</li><li><a href=\"https://www.brava.uk.com/subscribe\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Subscribe | BRAVA</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>This is Season 4 of HIGH NOTES. Where every conversation is a performance.</p>","author_name":"Melissa Thom "}