How do you tell the entire history of music?
If you're director and Cosmic Shambles co-founder Trent Burton, apparently you start with the Big Bang, interview more than 100 people around the world, and emerge four-and-a-half years later with a nine-part, 10.5-hour documentary.
This week I'm joined by Trent to talk about For the Record: An Incomplete History of Music, the enormous new series presented by Charlotte Ritchie, which travels from the origins of sound and the earliest music through notation, recording, jazz, rave culture, streaming and AI.
I've been deeply embedded in the project myself as music consultant and mix engineer, so this conversation quickly expands beyond the making of the documentary into some of the questions it raises.
How do you tell music history when music doesn't evolve in a straight line? What gets lost when oral traditions become notation — or performances become definitive recordings? And what happens to music when a machine can generate it on demand?
We get into live performance, improvisation, rave culture, cultural exchange and appropriation, active listening, the economics of grassroots live music, Robert Smith's battle with ticket pricing, and why a 10.5-hour independent music documentary may make more sense on YouTube than on broadcast television.
Midway through, there's some actual music too: an excerpt from Slack Tide, my piece for violinist Harriet Mackenzie and me, premiered at First Light Festival 2026 and based on the tidal cycle of the Suffolk coast.
IN THIS EPISODE
00:00 – Welcome back and introducing For the Record
02:30 – Trent Burton, Cosmic Shambles and how the project began
06:00 – How 90 minutes became nine episodes and 614 minutes
09:00 – The impossible problem of structuring music history
14:10 – Notation, oral traditions and writing music down
21:30 – Recording and the invention of the “definitive” version
24:30 – AI, commodification and the future of live music
31:00 – Electronic music, improvisation and musical jeopardy
37:00 – Music, humanity, grief and why sound can make us cry
44:00 – Musical interlude: Harriet Mackenzie and Slack Tide
48:40 – Active listening and learning how to hear unfamiliar music
52:00 – Cultural appropriation, exchange and context
59:30 – AI, commercial music and making a living
1:01:30 – The crisis in grassroots live music
1:04:10 – Robert Smith, The Cure and affordable tickets
1:05:45 – Why For the Record is on YouTube rather than TV
1:12:55 – What is the point of music?
1:14:00 – How is music evolving?
1:18:35 – The musical moments that weren't meant to happen
WATCH & EXPLORE
For the Record: An Incomplete History of Music
https://cosmicshambles.com/fortherecord/
Cosmic Shambles
MUSIC FROM THIS EPISODE
Slack Tide – Steve Pretty & Harriet Mackenzie
The Lark Ascending – Steve Pretty & Harriet Mackenzie
Shells & Bells – Steve Pretty & Jason Singh
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