{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/64b67f06cabfcd001157fca8/67e1eae97cf166247af6a347?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Michael Levin part 1","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/64b67f06cabfcd001157fca8/1742858924244-24b8a329-3a97-4779-976b-d2fdce69f563.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>My first conversation with Michael Levin, a developmental biologist revolutionizing how we think about cellular collective, agency, and life in general. One of those conversations where I feel we dive deep and only scratch the surface, at the same time: nested agents, birth, aging, and death, third person and first person science. </p><p><br></p><p>Related episodes:</p><p>Embodied AI: https://youtu.be/JZ8GTucClpM</p><p>Alexander Ororbia: https://youtu.be/N83vBfz7_BI</p><p>Baudouin Saintyves: https://youtu.be/NmvzEpz9R84</p><p>Laura Desiree Di Paolo: https://youtu.be/9txUwVtAOBk</p><p>Anna Riedl: https://youtu.be/w2ZiSWZNQsg</p><p>Anna Ciaunica: https://youtu.be/x1QHwhlCn-8</p><p>Giuseppe Paolo: https://youtu.be/R7tEd65e2i8</p><p><br></p><p>00:00 Intro.</p><p>04:11 Agency. Cellular cognition. How to prompt cells?</p><p>18:45 Nested agency. Interpenetrating ecosystems, vertical and horizontal. The life of persistent patterns.</p><p>23:46 Nested cognitive light cones: how do goals grow in collective agents?</p><p>31:34 What do the parts think about the whole? How does higher level meaning manifests itself at lower levels? The shamanistic method of first-person \"science\".</p><p>38:33 Why do we die? Layered ontology and Bard's process and event: the dynamics of nested agents. Birth, death, self-transformation. Psychological theory of aging. Vervaeke's reciprocal narrowing.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>I, scientist blog: https://balazskegl.substack.com</p><p>Twitter: https://twitter.com/balazskegl</p><p>Artwork: DALL-E</p><p>Music: Bea Palya https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBDp3qcFZdU1yoWIRpMSaZw</p><p><br></p>","author_name":"Balazs Kegl"}