{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/6467b7de03f4220011a934bd/69737c3d6c5100c2bbc45afc?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"295. Stop Putting Historic Politicians on Pedestals with Debbie Kilroy","description":"<p><em>Britain’s past politicians were no better—often far worse—than today’s MPs.</em></p><p>Were Britain’s past politicians really more honourable than today’s? Or is nostalgia blinding us to just how corrupt, violent, and self-serving many of them actually were?</p><p>In this episode of <strong>History Rage</strong>, host <strong>Paul Bavill</strong> is joined by historian, author, and Get History founder <strong>Debbie Kilroy</strong> to rage against one of Britain’s most persistent political myths: that historic MPs were somehow morally superior to the modern lot.</p><p><br></p><p>Drawing on over <strong>400 years of parliamentary history</strong>, Debbie dismantles the rose-tinted view of Britain’s political past, revealing a parade of <strong>bigamists, slave traders, duelists, bribe-takers, fraudsters, and outright psychopaths</strong> who once sat comfortably in Parliament.</p><p>From <strong>Norman MacLeod kidnapping his own tenants into slavery</strong>, to <strong>Lord Cardigan’s cruelty, incompetence, and vanity</strong>, to the systemic corruption that brought down figures like <strong>Francis Bacon</strong> and <strong>David Lloyd George</strong>, this episode exposes how power, privilege, and political protection enabled shocking behaviour—often without consequences.</p><p><br></p><p>Along the way, Debbie explains:</p><ul><li>Why we keep romanticising historic politicians</li><li>How corruption adapted rather than disappeared over time</li><li>Why reforms like the <strong>1832 Reform Act</strong> only scratched the surface</li><li>How crowds, riots, and popular protest once held MPs to account</li><li>Why the system itself—not just individuals—remains the problem</li></ul><p><br></p><p>This is not a defence of modern politics—but a warning against pretending the past was cleaner, fairer, or more honest. Politicians, Debbie argues, haven’t changed. <strong>What’s changed is what they can get away with.</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>About the Guest: Debbie Kilroy</strong></p><p><strong>Debbie Kilroy</strong> is a historian, writer, and the creator of the popular history platform <strong>Get History</strong>. She specialises in British political history, focusing on the <em>human realities</em> behind power, myth, and reputation.</p><p><br></p><p>She is the author of:</p><p><strong>📘 <em>Members Behaving Badly: A History of Britain in 52 Parliamentary Rogues</em></strong></p><p>A deeply researched and often shocking exploration of Britain’s most notorious MPs, spanning four centuries of corruption, cruelty, and chaos.</p><p>🔗 Book available via <a href=\"https://uk.bookshop.org/a/10120/9781783969388\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://uk.bookshop.org/a/10120/9781783969388</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <strong>Get History: </strong><a href=\"https://gethistory.co.uk/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>https://gethistory.co.uk/</strong></a></li><li>Social media: <strong>@debbiekilroyauthor</strong> (Instagram, Facebook and most platforms)</li><li>X (Twitter): <strong>@DebbieKilroy</strong></li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Recommended Listening</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Episode 241</strong> – Erica Canella on chaos and dissent in the early Quaker movement</li><li><strong>Episode 181</strong> – Shalina Patel dismantles the myths of the Pankhursts</li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>About History Rage</strong></p><p><strong>History Rage</strong> is the podcast where professional historians confront popular myths head-on and angrily demand historical honesty.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Follow &amp; Contact</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <strong>www.historyrage.com</strong></li><li>Social media: <strong>@HistoryRage</strong> on X, Instagram, Facebook</li><li>Patreon: <strong>www.patreon.com/historyrage</strong></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Support the Podcast</strong></p><ul><li>Get <strong>ad-free episodes</strong> on Apple Podcasts or Patreon for £3/month</li><li>Join <strong>monthly live streams</strong> with historians via Patreon</li><li>Or simply help by telling <strong>one other person</strong> to listen</li></ul><p><br></p><p>If you think politicians were better “back then”, this episode may ruin that illusion forever.</p><p><strong>Stay angry.</strong></p>","author_name":"Paul Bavill"}