Emily Steinwall's sophomore album, But, there's beauty in the fall from Grace, runs almost an hour and weaves between grungy art-rock edges and orchestral ballads that ask you to sit down and listen. In this conversation, we talk about how suffering and beauty are not opposites, the meaning behind "No One Wins a War," and the long-winded road to finishing this record. This episode also features a live session we recorded together, stripped down to her voice and a guitar. In many ways, this record is a healing balm. I hope it reaches you where you are!
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