{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/63997541ed122a001195e286/6a9b58d6d024784c99b20a8d?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Care, with (Jennifer) Jill Fellows","description":"<p>This episode is about care, attentiveness and the skill of being in relationship(s). (Jennifer) Jill Fellows and I discuss the rise of AI intimacy and the programmed sycophancy of generativeAI today, and what it reveals is that our emotional attachments to chatbots might be more about how easily we can convince ourselves of its significance than about any sophisticated technology. That said, when you talk to these chatbots, you enter into a relationship with a corporation that always already has money as a bottom line, not your wellbeing. This serves as an analysis and a warning. Recorded Sept 4, 2026. Released Sept 14, 2026. </p><p><br></p><p><strong><em>Trigger warning -- we discuss self-harm and harm to others.</em></strong></p><p><br></p><p>Joseph Weizenbaum on ELIZA:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdl.acm.org%2Fdoi%2Fepdf%2F10.1145%2F365153.365168&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919776876%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=1Jm3YweyUfPi7%2BZZpdGieNqwcKXUQkJazZtHW8dmHoc%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/365153.365168</a></p><p><br></p><p>Sherry Turkle:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsherryturkle.mit.edu%2F&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919808606%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=oefWLZlkHm9zKg4E11fgsJev%2FObeb9Oos5BT6zZf4w0%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://sherryturkle.mit.edu/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Hilde Lindemann's book on identity work:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Facademic.oup.com%2Fbook%2F4499%3Flogin%3Dfalse&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919839165%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=XEbm9bvPmeltZiac3%2F6Ea3XrU71WqJ39u2COSFrdA2k%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://academic.oup.com/book/4499?login=false</a></p><p><br></p><p>Joan Tronto:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcla.umn.edu%2Fabout%2Fdirectory%2Fprofile%2Fjctronto&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919870506%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=aYP4xB3I0UKFyTY0ofPD9hqFjyi2DUsr%2FTX77SdPGvs%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://cla.umn.edu/about/directory/profile/jctronto</a></p><p><br></p><p>Shannon Vallor on Moral Deskilling:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1007%2Fs13347-014-0156-9&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919894007%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=oln0EnjfKvyNm5p63YYj28LF8YxGDTG%2B6A%2BkBqM5pAE%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1007/s13347-014-0156-9</a></p><p><br></p><p>Helen DeCruz on Believing to Belong:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelendecruz.net%2Fdocs%2FDeCruz_belongbelief.pdf&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919916910%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Nhs4XRDizTKV0bBamyXkcy2RnWF2g1dKuxKTJmAiBCA%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://helendecruz.net/docs/DeCruz_belongbelief.pdf</a></p><p><br></p><p>Simone Natale et. al. on chatbot relationships:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1177%2F01634437221119021&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919937115%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=4w9sE5%2B2xcCLHqUSwkkRWB287bDbX0V0WkePx2wpdZ4%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://doi.org/10.1177/01634437221119021</a></p><p><br></p><p>Rosanne Ramos on her relationship with Eren:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fai-artificial-intelligence-chatbot-romance-1820752&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919956170%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=1luu9CcF5T9oHM6EujKmtljRDxXEVwFT%2FGgMc7GnAk0%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.newsweek.com/ai-artificial-intelligence-chatbot-romance-1820752</a></p><p><br></p><p>Michael Geoffrey Asia on his life as a chatbot:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdata-workers.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2025%2F12%2FThe-Emotional-Labor-Behind-AI-Intimacy-1.pdf&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919975074%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=C9%2FBdZOCn%2F1DaGLpmKxlQQFs%2FV%2FGTPEff2gn088lI54%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://data-workers.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/The-Emotional-Labor-Behind-AI-Intimacy-1.pdf</a></p><p><br></p><p>Ruo-Ning, Li, <em>et. al.</em> “Is a random human peer better than a highly supportive chatbot in reducing loneliness over time?” <em>Journal of Expermental Sociology</em>, Vol. 125.</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1016%2Fj.jesp.2026.104911&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C3760e8b77956485b5e5c08df0aeb03ba%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241676905357000%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=NJwuWRxJtD3ro62BGJGiNrwQlqx4YBBxN8Tj0i9rDJo%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"><u>https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jesp.2026.104911</u></a></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>CBC Understood Artificial Intimacy:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Flisten%2Fcbc-podcasts%2F1353-the-naked-emperor&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509919993915%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Vyj1REOr1h%2FOQn%2BOo8tTbD6W0hZFTTaIVEnGr2fjzRY%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podcasts/1353-the-naked-emperor</a></p><p><br></p><p>Pullback Podcast Episode on Relationships with Chatbots:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpullback.podbean.com%2Fe%2Fcomputer-love%2F&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509920020563%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=d89JIQ7O31vI3z0lFqW2NJEPekpoCKiN3TYQk5qCtjQ%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://pullback.podbean.com/e/computer-love/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Paranormal Programming:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Flisten%2Flive-radio%2F1-23-ideas%2Fclip%2F16133623-we-believe-artificial-intelligence-believe-ghosts&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509920059392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=jD9HXgOjXda9odz3XkgQvnh9OQueyijNjCZMJr7fZak%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-23-ideas/clip/16133623-we-believe-artificial-intelligence-believe-ghosts</a></p><p><br></p><p>CBC Front Burner on Relationships with Chatbots:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fradio%2Ffrontburner%2Fcan-you-have-a-real-relationship-with-an-ai-1.7206945&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509920238083%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=yIKxmGMxkJaYEYcgdTquomyOGvcy76djKDEZeWa07Hw%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/can-you-have-a-real-relationship-with-an-ai-1.7206945</a></p><p><br></p><p>CBC Spark on Relationships with AI:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fradio%2Fspark%2Fbots-like-chatgpt-aren-t-sentient-why-do-we-insist-on-making-them-seem-like-they-are-1.6761709&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509920361904%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=unTyQTaEVX36MqqlCLJ1KPG0Z73LRdZ6b3SCzAbSuEM%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/bots-like-chatgpt-aren-t-sentient-why-do-we-insist-on-making-them-seem-like-they-are-1.6761709</a></p><p><br></p><p>A Harem of Computers:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fplayer%2Fplay%2Faudio%2F9.6564912&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509920398215%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=bIvjRLGQZFfYGfDXGT7e%2Fsn4lwnRPFfhSoVMGed%2B3Qg%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/audio/9.6564912</a></p><p><br></p><p>(Jennifer) Jill Fellows website:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjenniferjillfellowsphd.opened.ca%2F&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509920428820%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=uLGixslU8MGWYMXWgsJ1HpabFi%2F4XZO0zrpOqAGAJiw%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://jenniferjillfellowsphd.opened.ca/</a></p><p><br></p><p>Cyborg Goddess Podcast:</p><p><a href=\"https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcyborggoddess.opened.ca%2F&amp;data=05%7C02%7Cmel.hogan%40queensu.ca%7C59b636ba773b4a71eac008df0ac3e1da%7Cd61ecb3b38b142d582c4efb2838b925c%7C1%7C0%7C639241509920458810%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=QwWd%2BWMkgRP54Ja2KPXjTIIhpJx8BjiDC8IpLWYmgds%3D&amp;reserved=0\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">https://cyborggoddess.opened.ca/</a></p>","author_name":"Mél Hogan"}