{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/62a8a49736f81b001266f95d/6ae33aaa092a0dff19a033c0?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"Why fear-led cybersecurity marketing stops working with Karl Van den Bergh, Chief Market Officer at Illumio","thumbnail_width":200,"thumbnail_height":200,"thumbnail_url":"https://open-images.acast.com/shows/62a8a49736f81b001266f95d/1793276570422-00eb8bec-daca-450a-8187-0fddf1b84796.jpeg?height=200","description":"<p>Fear gets attention. But what happens when every vendor in your category uses it, all at once, all the time? In cybersecurity, the answer is a market that sounds identical, feels ominous and gets tuned out by the very people it is trying to reach.</p><p><br></p><p>In episode 83, Benedict Buckland tests the provocative claim that fear as a device in marketing doesn&#39;t work. Karl&#39;s answer is nuanced: it can work in the short term, but decisions made out of fear tend to be reactive, and when everyone says the same thing all the time, audiences switch off.</p><p><br></p><p>In this episode:</p><p>– Why fear earns attention but loses impact when it is used continuously</p><p>– Why a hard truth needs a route to action if buyers are to act rather than ignore it</p><p>– How humour, from a school field trip to a deliberately boundary-pushing idea called Pants Down, helps a brand stand out in a heavy, dark category</p><p>– How The Hard Truths thought leadership platform fed the creative and moved interested buyers into the demand cycle</p><p>– Why Karl calls the need to keep educating the board and executive team the CMO tax</p><p><br></p><p>Karl Van den Bergh is Chief Market Officer at Illumio, the cybersecurity firm specialising in breach containment.</p><p><br></p><p>B2B Marketing: The Provocative Truth is brought to you by alan., the B2B brand agency. Find more episodes at alan-agency.com/podcasts</p><p><br></p><p>00:00 – Why Karl is a chief market officer</p><p>00:15 – Introducing Karl and Illumio</p><p>01:39 – The CMO role, short tenures and the CMO tax</p><p>06:11 – Does fear in marketing work?</p><p>09:22 – Fear needs agency</p><p>10:00 – A sea of sameness in cybersecurity</p><p>11:26 – Cyber as the guardrails for AI</p><p>13:22 – Prevention versus breach containment</p><p>16:15 – Using humour to stand out</p><p>19:16 – Pants Down and getting bold work signed off</p><p>24:38 – The Hard Truths thought leadership platform</p><p>30:05 – Will AI multiply fear or galvanise action?</p>","author_name":"alan."}