{"version":"1.0","type":"rich","provider_name":"Acast","provider_url":"https://acast.com","height":250,"width":700,"html":"<iframe src=\"https://embed.acast.com/$/62597e5a4fd40b00135d1360/6aa07f047275dabe95a1c26d?\" frameBorder=\"0\" width=\"700\" height=\"250\"></iframe>","title":"I Don't Want A Business That Needs Me","description":"<h1>Conversations in the Dark, Episode 3: I Don't Want A Business That Needs Me</h1><p>Erica Vander Sande on starting Mina eight months pregnant, stepping away during burnout, and why the goal was never to be irreplaceable.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Summary</strong></p><p>Erica opens this episode with a belief she has held since day one of owning a business: she wants to build something that does not need her. Not a side hustle that depends on her showing up every day, but a company that can run and grow even when she steps back.</p><p>She walks through how The Mina Company actually started, freelancing while eight months pregnant, dealing with a complicated pregnancy, and caring for her mom through stage four cancer, all while her husband encouraged her to try working for herself. From there she traces the business through her mom's death, a period of deep burnout in 2022, and the decision to step away and take a full time role with a client rather than shut the business down.</p><p>Erica gets honest about the shame she felt at the time for stepping back, why that decision was actually the right one, and how she eventually returned to lead Mina into its current growth phase, now in the top 4 percent of women owned businesses by revenue. The episode closes with a practical challenge: stop treating your business like a child that needs you every day, and start using AI as a real operations partner to figure out how to need yourself less.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>What We Cover</strong></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><ul><li><strong>How Mina actually started.</strong> Erica shares the real story behind founding her marketing agency while eight months pregnant, recovering from job loss, and caring for her mom through cancer treatment.</li><li><strong>Replacing an income, then some.</strong> How her first clients found her, why they were all moms, and how quickly she replaced her previous salary.</li><li><strong>Losing her mom while running a business.</strong> Erica talks honestly about grieving while still needing to show up for clients, and why she never told people what was actually going on.</li><li><strong>Burnout in 2022.</strong> What it looked like when Erica hit a wall, considered selling or dissolving the business, and chose a third option instead.</li><li><strong>Stepping back without stepping out.</strong> Why Erica took a full time job with a client rather than walking away from Mina entirely, and how she kept the business running from a distance.</li><li><strong>The shame of doing it differently.</strong> Erica reflects on why stepping back from your own business still feels taboo, and why she has always been willing to break the mold anyway.</li><li><strong>Coming back to Mina.</strong> What it looks like 18 months later, now that the business has grown into the top 4 percent of women owned businesses by annual revenue.</li><li><strong>A business is not a child.</strong> Erica's case for why founders, especially women, need to stop treating their businesses like something that requires them forever.</li><li><strong>Using AI as an operations manager.</strong> A practical prompt Erica recommends for figuring out what your business actually needs from you, and what it does not.</li></ul><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Try This Prompt</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Erica shares the exact type of prompt she recommends running through Claude to start building a business that needs you less:</p><p>\"If you were an operations manager for my business, what areas do you see that I need growth in, in order to be as needed as little as possible? What would I need to do to get there, and how much annual revenue would I need to build to make that happen?\"</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Connect with Erica</strong></p><p><br></p><ul><li>Business inquiries:<a href=\"https://theminacompany.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"> The Mina Company</a></li><li>Personal connection and coaching:<a href=\"https://ericavandersande.com/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"> Erica Vander Sande</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Show Notes Keywords</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Conversations in the Dark podcast, Erica Vander Sande, building a business that runs without you, entrepreneur burnout, women in business, The Mina Company, business owner grief, using AI in business, small business growth, stepping back as a founder</p><p><strong>Subscribe and Review</strong></p><p><br></p><p>If this episode resonated with you, leave a review or share it with a fellow business owner who needs permission to build something that does not depend on them. New episodes of Conversations in the Dark are on the way. Subscribe so you don't miss what's next.</p>","author_name":"Erica Vander Sande"}